Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26091 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 19:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 19:13:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 8168 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 19:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 19:14:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14iLJn-0003Gu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:09:19 +0100 Received: from tomts7.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.40] helo=tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14iLJl-0003Gp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:09:18 +0100 Received: from server1 ([216.209.110.41]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010328190823.JUEB24361.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c0b7ba$708665b0$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.1.16.20010328085558.2f57efaa@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Subject: Re: LF: RE: WOLF (BPSK) modulation continuous phase modulation. Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:04:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Greetings All: From: "Rik Strobbe" > That is 100% correct, my aim is to find a trade-off between simplicity and > bandwidth. This is standard practice for any CW transmitter where > key-clicks are surpressed to an acceptable level. Oh my, the "acceptable level" issue around hard keying again. I thought this discussion was only undertaken in the high speed CW community - at 50 WPM on CW I use hard keying, very hard keying, as an aid to making the CW copyable as the speed increases. Some operators in the CW community find the hard keying hard to take, but I also find the "bell" like keying of some signals so very objectionable - to each his own. The issue of BPSK keying should in my opinion focus around determining the losses in signal recovery when the phase reversal is "softened". If the loss is measurable in the receive system performance then it should not be done. Pushing the envelope of LF propagation with BPSK must not be degraded by "softening" the keying, if it does in a measurable way, say .1 dB or more then I for one just wont use such a system here at all. This position might sound a tad hard for some of you on this reflector but I have only to look at the Loran signal garbage to tell me what good engineering practice allows. We need do nothing better than that service is achieving. Larry VA3LK