Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21002 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 16:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 16:12:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 7645 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 16:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 16:12:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14VFJv-0006Rd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:07:19 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from jaws.cisco.com ([198.135.0.150] helo=cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14VFJt-0006RU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:07:17 +0000 Received: from virgin.net (uxb-dhcp-198-135-1-192.cisco.com [198.135.1.192]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27105 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:06:26 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3A929576.FC8C479C@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:04:06 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ERP / LF - where next References: <4022.200102201550@gemini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G3YSX wrote: >Also if you think back to the RSGB convention, there was one >paper that suggested that we are massively overestimating the >efficiency of our antennas. If that work holds up, then we will have >to drop power to conform to the licence ERP condition...... I think this is the wrong way round - G3YSX > Yes, I did get it the wrong way round. I meant to say that small antennas are more efficient than we calculate. if we are overestimating efficiency, that means we are getting less ERP than we think we are, and would have to increase power to reach the 1W ERP limit. ERP is essentially defined in terms of the field strength at some distance that is produced by an antenna, and available field strength measurements tend to show that using the radiation resistance/antenna current formulae do indeed overestimate the ERP by about 0 - 10dB. Prof. Mike Underhill's work suggests small antennas may be more efficient than we think, but the experimental evidence does not support this, at least in the context of typical amateur LF installations. G3YSX> I thought that the Puckeridge test showed this, ie that your smaller antenna had a higher field strength than you expected. Stewart G3YSX