Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28292 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2001 15:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2001 15:29:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 3839 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2001 15:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Feb 2001 15:29:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14XPUp-00049w-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:23:31 +0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14XPUl-00049q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:23:29 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.44] (helo=gemini) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14XPUS-00055I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:23:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3187.200102261523@gemini> From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:27:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Antenna measurements/losses/insulators X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF group, Re- antenna loss resistance: A basic difficulty with direct impedance measurement of an LF antenna is that the loss resistance is much smaller than the magnitude of the reactance. For example, an antenna with R(loss) = 50ohm, C = 500pF, has a capacitive reactance of 2.3405kohm. The magnitude of the combined impedance is 2.341kohm, and the phase angle 88.8degrees, so quite close to that of the pure capacitance. A bridge will produce an accurate measurement of the capacitance component, but much larger errors will occur in measuring the resistive component, which is only a few percent of the total impedance. Even a very good bridge will struggle to get anything more than a rough figure for the resistance. A better way to measure loss resistance is to cancel out the capacitive reactance of the antenna with a series loading coil (ie. tune it to resonance), and then measure the remaining resistance, as done by PA0SE. A seperate measurement is then required to determine the loss resistance of the loading coil. This can be done by resonating the loading coil with a low-loss capacitor in place of the antenna, and measuring the resistance again. Re: antenna losses - I use my "Scopematch" tuning aid (see LF Handbook and errata) to continuously monitor the antenna resistance while transmitting. I also see the resistance go up (and the capacitance, to a smaller extent) when it is raining. The change occurs practically instantly when the rain starts, and is usually about 10 - 20%. I don't think wet insulators can be responsible - estimating the additional power loss at a couple of hundred watts in my case, they should dry themselves out quite fast! I don't know why rain has so much effect, but my favorite theory for the major cause of loss resistance at the moment is that it is caused mainly by dielectric losses in the ground, where the electric field of the antenna penetrates to some depth at LF. This is contrary to the conventional view that the major losses are due to the resistance of the ground system. I don't think there is really a contradiction, just that amateur antennas have relatively high dielectric losses because they are smaller than conventional LF antennas. A bit of thought shows that a predominance of dielectric loss would explain lower loss resistance at higher frequency, and G3AQC's "footprint" effects, among other things. Re: Insulators - Although better insulators, ie big glass or ceramic ones would help prevent the antenna catching fire or falling down, they would not actually stop corona discharge from taking place. This is a function of the field gradient around the antenna wires, and so needs attention to the conductors more than the insulators, hence the usefulness of corona rings. Prevention of corona is also a good idea from the QRM point of view. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU