Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8141 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 01:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 01:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 11365 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 01:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 01:53:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14PakM-0002uh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 01:47:14 +0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.42]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14PakK-0002uc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2001 01:47:13 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id l.28.10bf714c (4333); Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:46:27 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <28.10bf714c.27af5ff2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:46:26 EST Subject: Re: LF: PLL inaccuracy To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: akestelo@bellatlantic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 2/4/01 2:16:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, akestelo@bellatlantic.net writes: << Allow me to quote from the book "Phase Locked Loops, Principle and Practice", McGraw Hill 1996, by P.V. Brennan University College, London. Page 22: "...As far as the control loop is concerned, it should be noted that frequency dividers act equally as phase dividers, so that a factor of 1/N must be allowed for in the loop equations". >> This is certainly true. It must be taken into account in designing a loop, but it does not represent a source of _frequency_ error so long as lock is maintained. The example cited from page 128 is such an extreme case that, were the controlled oscillator sufficiently unstable or noisy as to experience short-term excursions beyond 360 degrees at its own frequency--or if the detector were occasionally unable to resolve with the 0.35 degree precision specified--the entire system would be susceptible to coming out of lock entirely! Until that point, the output is still on-frequency, but might exhibit serious phase noise. This is why one must perform phase comparisons at a reasonable division ratio, even if it means sacrificing extremely narrow frequency steps; or else, one has to be much more meticulous in the design of the VCO and the phase comparator, and even then, lockup times may be rather long. 73, John