Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7411 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 15:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 15:04:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 1176 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 15:04:17 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 15:04:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14SgnA-0003bX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:50:56 +0000 Received: from indyweb.cgocable.ca ([205.151.69.200]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Sgmf-0003az-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:50:40 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from 220-168.lr.cgocable.ca (220-168.lr.cgocable.ca [24.226.220.168]) by indyweb.cgocable.ca (8.9.3 (MessagingDirect 1.0.4)/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10404638 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:47:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200102131447.JAA10404638@indyweb.cgocable.ca> X-Sender: bill1@cgocable.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:47:56 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Bill de Carle" Subject: Re: LF: GPS-Disciplined BPSK Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 10:28 AM 2/12/01 +0000, Walter Blanchard wrote: >At 21:17 11/02/01 Sunday, VE2IQ wrote: > >>...............I propose to use GPS ..........: >>The only real requirement is a GPS receiver with a 1-PPS output good to >>within a few microseconds of UTC. > >Be careful - don't confuse relative with absolute time. The 1 pps output >from cheapo GPS sets is only relative time, not absolute. If you like, it >gives frequency not phase and phase is essential to your >application. Recovering absolute time from GPS to microsec accuracy is not >easy and you won't do it with an ordinary positioning receiver. I checked with Garmin on this and they're standing by their 1 microsecond spec. They suggest using the GPS25-LVS (which apparently has a mode where you can specify that the location is fixed and let it concentrate on calculating the time accurately) - and say that under good signal conditions the 1PPS output will track UTC "well within" the 1 microsecond limit. They say typical accuracy is 100 nsec RMS with 50 nsec jitter. That is more than good enough for our purposes. I still haven't sorted out what the difference is between absolute and relative time, but as long as everyone agrees on the same system it should work fine. Bill VE2IQ