Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28299 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 17:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 17:26:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 29397 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 17:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 17:26:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14VGOM-0006sp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:15:58 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14VGOJ-0006sk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:15:56 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.44] (helo=gemini) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14VGO2-0000nM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:15:38 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <14546.200102201715@gemini> From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:19:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: ERP In-reply-to: <3A929576.FC8C479C@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Stewart, LF Group, > G3YSX> I thought that the Puckeridge test showed this, ie that your > smaller antenna had a higher field strength than you expected. Yes it did, but only by about 1.5dB as I recall - this would be within the limits of experimental error. The thing about Puckeridge was that it was a near ideal site - moist soil, open fields for miles and so on - where you might expect good results. Indeed, when I put the same antenna up at home, and repeated the experiment, the field strength was down on the calculated value by about 4dB, so there was 5dB or so lost just by moving the antenna to a less ideal location. A loss of several dB compared to calculated values is typical for field strength measurements on "back garden" antennas, such as mine and G3XDV's, and some bigger ones too, like the MB2HFC antenna at Windsor. There are some plausible explanations as to why the field strength of the small antenna at Puckeridge could have "higher than theoretical" efficiency, such as increased effective height due to the skin depth of the ground being significant compared to the physical height of the antenna at LF. There are also plausible reasons why antennas in built up areas give lower field strength, such as absorbtion by surroundings. High ground wave losses in urban areas are well known to MF broadcast people. Unfortunately, the losses seem to win over the gains for most of us. However, there is not really enough experimental data of high accuracy to say much more than that. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU