Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24351 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 20:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 20:13:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 25007 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2001 20:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 20 Feb 2001 20:13:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14VJ5D-0007rB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:08:23 +0000 Received: from mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14VJ58-0007r6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:08:18 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.178.12]) by mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010220200757.YCCC6484737.mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:07:57 +1300 Message-ID: <004e01c09b79$b6ece360$5bb21bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3A924291.19929.36D306@localhost> Subject: LF: Re: Higher L - higher ERP Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:12:51 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mike and others, OK on the elevated loading coil. I'm not convinced that hard results support your claims: > Yesterday, I reported that I had increased my mast-head > inductance so that the antennna was almost self-resonant. The new > coil introduced resistive losses and the current reduced, but reports > were better than before. If I recall, you said that the changed current distribution was an explanation for the reduced value of current at the feedpoint, which was incorrect. Current is dependent on "loop resistance" at resonance. > Last night, Jim, M0BMU measured my field strength compared to a > measurement taken two weeks ago. It was 0.9dB up. That is very similar to some tests I did some time back, at 181 kHz, with a temporary top loading. > This does not account for the greatly improved reports, Quite so. 0.9 dB hardly shifts the S meter. > but it does > show that with less current and more resistive losses, the only way > the ERP could have increased is if the 'effective height' had > increased. Yes. The net result of decreased current because of increased loop resistance (a top loading coil necessarily needs higher inductance (more wire) than a base loading coil) and the improved current distribution in the vertical wire. The effective height factor is just winning out over current reduction, by some 0.9 dB. >Field strength is of course directly proportional to current > squared multiplied by effective height (h) squared. True for radiated power. Field strength is directly proportional to the product of current and effective height (amp metres). > At last here is real evidence that the elevated coil really does > increase the 'h' part of the equation. Several of us were sure that it > did, and several have noticed improvements in our signals when > using elevated coils, but the evidence has always been anecdotal. And still appears to be the case. The same "gain" should be observed on transmit and receive (being wary that local noise could be different at each end of a path). There is still the matter of adequately housing the elevated loading coil and sustaining good insulation at high RF voltages. The weight of a coil usually means it needs to be supported by a tower or mast. Antenna modelling shows that if the vertical feed to a T antenna is near metalwork, it caused shunt capacitance that pulls down the gain by about 1 dB. Tuning (and re-tuning) of the loading coil is somewhat inconvenient when it up in the air. One situation not amenable to modelling (with NEC-2) is when there is clutter around the vertical wire. It seems that clutter causes disproportionate losses from "soakage" as the high field strength part of the wire rises above ground. Some experimenters have reported significant improvement by relocating the "upwire" to being in a clearer environment. A similar effect would arise with an elevated loading coil, as the potential on the "upwire" is considerably lower than for a base loading coil installation. However, all of these environmental factors should show up in impedance data and gain measurements. I have observed the construction technique a number of LF NDB stations, from visits and photographs. None have elevated loading coils. All have clear sites. I'm not against experimentation and developing better antennas that fit in our back yards. 73, Bob ZL2CA