Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26510 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2001 18:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2001 18:14:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 4524 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2001 18:14:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 24 Feb 2001 18:14:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14Wj6y-0005Qw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:08:04 +0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.3]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14Wj6w-0005Qr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:08:03 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.114]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010224180713.PIXU15770362.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:07:13 +1300 Message-ID: <002b01c09e8d$8775de40$72b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7583.200102231227@gemini> Subject: LF: Re: Antennas/ERP Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:12:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim M0BMU, Some further comments on selected points: > I am confident that there was a slight increase in FS, and that it was > near 0.9dB > A decrease in current from 2.7 to 2.2A would result in FS > decreasing by 1.8dB if the antenna remained the same. So overall, > there was an improvement of 2.7dB from the radiating point of > view, although offset by increased losses, apparently. That is a good presentation, to summarise: impact of the top loading coil on new current distribution +2.7 dB impact of the higher losses in that loading coil -1.8 dB net result for that setup +0.9 dB > What ZL2CA says about increasing TX power to make up for > reduced antenna efficiency is only true up to a point, as some of > us have found already. There comes a point where the voltage on > an antenna becomes so high that breakdown occurs. Since for a > given antenna, the voltage is directly proportional to the current, > this places an upper limit on the ERP for a given antenna. What ZL2CA would reply to that point is to find better insulators. They too are far cheaper than managing the overheads of an elevated loading coil. > By the way, I find that the loss resistance of the antennas I have > used tends to increase by a factor of 2 or 3 when frequency is > reduced from 136k to 73k - in indirect support of Rik's idea about > ground loss being reduced at increased frequency. I too found that trend. Results of impedance measurements of an earlier vertical at my QTH appear in Table 8 of the LowFer section of the 18th edition of The ARRL Antenna Book, which is: Frequency Resistance Capacitance 100 kHz 14 ohms 790 pF 165 11 800 190 10 805 250 9 810 300 8 815 The capacitance increase is expected, from the transmission line effect as antenna becomes an increasing fraction of a wavelength with increasing frequency (a hyperbolic tangent function if I recall correctly). However, the increase in series resistance is an enigma. My current thinking is that it is better to express the impedance in parallel components rather than series i.e. admittance rather than impedance. The antenna environment of a top loaded T does physically involve equivalent parallel RC in the "foot print". I'm soon departing to do some shifts on a field day contest so I can not develop comment on parallel rather than series analysis in this posting. Cheers for now, Bob ZL2CA