Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26839 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 14:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 14:45:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 1038 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 14:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 14:48:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14MA3h-000427-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:41:01 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14MA3g-000422-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:41:00 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id OAA08925; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:42:18 GMT Received: (qmail 21133 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 15:34:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 15:34:17 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id PAA23183; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:25:26 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma022988; Fri, 26 Jan 01 15:24:32 GMT Received: from frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:43:18 +0000 Received: by frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:39:50 -0000 Message-ID: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F0D756A@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 2 tone Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:39:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >As a general point for computer-generated signals, if the soundcard or DSP could be persuaded to generate the >output at a few kHz instead of 800Hz or whatever, it would be a simple matter to mix the signal directly up to >.136kHz, with a fairly simple bandpass filter to give good unwanted sideband rejection. G4GUO and myself have been thinking along the same lines for generation of MSK. While it is fine generating a constant envelope waveform at audio from a Soundcard, getting this up to RF obviously requires frequency translation. There are several options : 1) Use an HF rig and transverter. Too complex, as few operators need such a system. Although anyone equipped for PSK31 on LF will have this already. 2) Dedicated upconverter from a high 'audio' frequency as Jim suggests. The highest audio freq available is 15 - 18kHz using 44.1k sampling rate, which will need a decent bandpass filter at 137 to reject the image, but of a straightforward design / construction. WIth realistic pot-core inductors, a three pole design to cover 135 to 138 without having to tune with the band. 3) Use an I/Q upconverter and let the soundcard generate the two quadrature components from left and right channels. This will give something like 30dB isolation immediately, at the expense of a slightly more complicated mixer and LO generation, followed by a much relaxed filter spec. 4) Multiplication of the soundcard output, say by 9, from 15.2kHz; an odd number is preferable. It will be straightforward to modify the MSK modulation scheme to generate a lower modulation index, but soundcard stability becomes of paramount importance as it directly affects RF accuracy in ppm terms. Only applicable to constant envelope schemes Therefore 2) and 3), would seem to be the optimum solutions >I think VK2ZTO has already carried the multi-tone idea to one of it's logical conclusions, with seperate tones for >each different alphabetical characters - see 'FDK' on his web pages http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto. The first version wasPiccolo as designed in the 1950s by the UK Foreign Office for diplomatic comms. 32 tones corresponding to the 32 states of the 5 bit RTTY code transmitted at 100ms per tone. Various amateur reincarnations appeared over the years, with the number of tones ranging from six to 32 with assorted coding schemes. A modern 12 tone varient is often heard on 14MHz and has been around for the last year. All single tone schemes give the constant envelope advantage we want for LF, not usually an issue at HF where linear transmitters are always used. Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.