Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8442 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 14:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 14:53:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 22120 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 14:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 14:55:53 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14KiFO-0001sH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:47:06 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14KiFM-0001sC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:47:04 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id OAA24173; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:48:16 GMT Received: (qmail 13506 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 15:40:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 15:40:30 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id PAA20438; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:31:59 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma020361; Mon, 22 Jan 01 15:31:49 GMT Received: from frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:49:57 +0000 Received: by frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:46:39 -0000 Message-ID: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F0D7543@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Frequency Calibration Argo etc. Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:46:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The recent talk about soundcard accuracies set me thinking. Tuning error and soundcard accuracy do not have exactly the same effect on the apparent observed frequency line in Argo or any DSP system where the sampling rate is not locked to the same frequency as used for tuning. Tuning error is reflected as a frequency shift which applies equally to all tones within an audio bandwidth. Sampling rate error appears to change the tones by an amount proportional to frequency. eg at 8000 Hz sampling rate + 10ppm = 8000.08 Hz a 1kHz tone will appear at to be 999.99Hz (0.01 Hz low), 1500Hz will appear to be 1499.985Hz (0.015Hz low) etc If the receiver tuning is 0.1 Hz in error these would be 999.9 ands 1499.9 respectively. So to calibrate out both uncertainties a minimum of two measurements are needed. Here is a procedure to do this : Tune into a transmission whose frequency is known EXACTLY - such as MSF at 60kHz or the centre of Loran at 100kHz - using your favourite piece of narrow band software and receiver as used normally. Adjust tuning for an audio tone of 500Hz and measure the exact tone frequency resulting. Then alter the receiver tuning to get a tone of 2500Hz and measure this figure exactly. The difference between the two measured frequencies expressed as a fraction of the wanted separation (here 2kHz) is the soundcard sampling error rate. Any error that applies equally to both tones is due to receiver tuning alone. Obviously the widest tone separation as possible is desired to minimise measurement error. This test does pre-suppose that the error in the receiver is determined only by its internal oscillators and not by errors in transferring the desired frequency to the display. Most modern PLL and DDS controlled receivers do in fact generate exactly what the dial says, subject only to their oscillator calibration. In most cases the receiver frequency setting error should swamp that of the soundcard but this may always not necessarily be the case. For example an IC746 with TCXO option and trimmed to 0.2ppm accuracy (it can be done) used to receive directly on 137kHz will exhibit an error of 0.027 Hz as all frequencies within the reciver are locked to the master source. A laptop integral soundcard could easily be 30ppm out even if the oscillator is 'meant' to be exact ie. not allowing for poor implementation which can give errors up to 0.2 percent !!! 30ppm would give 0.03Hz at 1kHz tone and 0.06Hz at 2kHz tone frequency, error exceeding that from the receiver. Andy G4JNT > > Assuming an overly optimistic stability of 10 ppm over the > whole temperature excursion range > for that crystal, this means a deviation of 0.01 Hertz for > an audio signal of 1 kHz. > At this frequencies, even cheap crystals can prove adequate. > > Thanks for your tests Alan, > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). 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