Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16464 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 11:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 11:23:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 12903 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 11:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 11:26:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14JD3c-0000Kd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:16:44 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14JD3Y-0000KY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:16:40 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id LAA27265; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:17:48 GMT Received: (qmail 22978 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 12:10:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 12:10:19 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id MAA05718; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:02:07 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma005662; Thu, 18 Jan 01 12:01:38 GMT Received: from frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:19:05 +0000 Received: by frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:15:58 -0000 Message-ID: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F0D7528@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Transmitting tests on 137.790 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:16:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Peter - et al For some of us scientific experiements and measurement / understanding of the propagation medium is of far greater interest than merely trying to make QSOs. To me, the idea of being able to actually see ionospheric effects on skywave signals at LF, which to my knowledge have never before been characterised, is more exciting than being the first to make a two way QSO. Previously, as Walter said, skywave was just a nuisance that they tried to eliminate. If two operators at each end happen to be awake and operating at the right time that an ionospheric bubble forms (or whatever is up there) with a high power transmitter and big antenna, then they'll make the QSO. But no one will know the mechanism by which the QSO was achieved, apart from brute force, until it has happened several times and been mapped out. Meanwhile we will continue with proper controlled scientific experiments at low powers where Larry's signal appears to be receivable 100% of the time. Then with the knowledge we can attack the medium in a controlled way. Anyone can join in if they have suitable receiving hardware - all it wants is a willingness to build and understand new and modern hardware; a quality sadly lacking in many of today's radio amateurs. Particularly unfortunate as there is a huge range of devices that make homebrewing of quite advanced equipment trivial - and finding the necessary data is not even the trial it once was, everything is available on line. Andy G4JNT > -----Original Message----- > From: g3ldo [mailto:g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk] > Sent: 2001-01-18 10:14 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Transmitting tests on 137.790 > > > > they will never find out.> > Time is however of the essence and I have not yet heard a > European signal > > across the North Atlantic ......... > > Quite a few LF trains have departed EU, bound for VE. Some caught them, some > did not. > You need the right (mode) ticket. > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.