Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7120 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2001 13:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2001 13:08:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 29886 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2001 13:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 31 Jan 2001 13:11:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14NwsW-0004F5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:00:52 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [213.2.16.106] (helo=rsgb.org.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14NwsV-0004F0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:00:51 +0000 Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.5.R) for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:50:17 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:50:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: Morning noise levels Message-ID: <3A780A07.28381.C8890F@localhost> In-reply-to: <001b01c08b77$f8a66f40$c04101d5@default> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Return-Path: miked@mail.rsgbhq Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G3NYK wrote: > If you care to trawl Rik's web site there are several plots on 137kHz > when CFH has gone off that indicate the noise here is related to the > oncomming daylight. What we need to establish is: Is this really 'oncoming daylight', that is at a different time for each latitude, or is it one event (for instance an Eu transmitter switching to low power) that is related to daylight at one location? In other words, do Geri and Marco see the effect at the same time as each other but at an earlier UTC time to the UK? > My explanation of this 6dB decline is the shutting down of the area of > received signals (including the storm areas) as daylight approaches. > Our biggest area of noises in the UK is to the east. The effect may be > different in central Europe, it should be essentially symmetrical. > This is based on the opposite effect which occurs in Canada where the > S/N is best in the early evening, and degrades about 4 hours after > sunset. I have never before seen such a clear description of why this non- reciprocal effect happens. Thanks. Another interesting clue is given by the double wobbly lines very close to 137.790kHz and about 1Hz LF of Larry's beacon. I thought this was local to me but I see exactly the same on G3YXM's plots (see http://www.wireless.org.uk/newspic42.htm). My noise level takes a dive shortly after these lines suddenly stop. Dave seems to have exactly the same effect as can be seen from his third graph (note that the AGC in Argo causes the VA3LK signal/noise to improve but not the apparent background noise). How widespread is the reception of these lines (Dave and I are about 130km apart)? What are they? Do they disappear because of propagation, or something stopping transmission? There is plainly a lot to learn and investigate here. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.lf.thersgb.net