Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13471 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 17:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 17:46:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 10762 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 17:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 17:40:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14EEEc-0000hN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:31:30 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [213.2.16.106] (helo=rsgb.org.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14EEEX-0000h9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:31:28 +0000 Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.5.R) for ; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:27:49 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:27:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: Large and small antennas Message-ID: <3A54B293.13773.446063@localhost> In-reply-to: References: <3A531C89.2032.BB2276@localhost> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Return-Path: miked@mail.rsgbhq Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G3XZX wrote: > Am I correct in thinking that because a full-sized dipole or other > very large antenna, at a sufficient height, will have a different > radiation pattern from a short monopole, 1 watt ERP from each antenna > judged by field strength measurement at the same location will give > rise to different field strengths at various other distances because > the sum of sky and ground wave effects changes differently with > distance for the two antenna types? Well, here we get into the very muddy waters of just how you measure ERP - seemingly a very imprecise science. Also the far more interesting area of matching the antenna to the propagation medium (sometimes referred to as ionospheric matching). An example of this is the idea that a "useless" horizontal antenna - or the horizontal part of an L - can in some cases give an improvement on the pure vertical because of the way the signal is presented to the ionosphere. And this is another area where the unreliability of the technique makes it a taboo area for the commercials but a potential source of gold for us. Isn't radio fascinating? Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.lf.thersgb.net