Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19224 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 17:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 17:20:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 25603 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 17:22:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 17:22:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Jf6g-0001Nq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:13:46 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Jf6f-0001Nl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:13:45 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.44] (helo=gemini) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14Jf6U-00009f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:13:34 +0000 Message-ID: <14126.200101191713@gemini> From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:17:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: VA3LK on 137.7894 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Larry, LF Group, Getting the "wrong frequency right", and being able to identify the dot length with reasonable accuracy is a pretty tall order to be just a coincidence - so I think that must have been VA3LK last night. I will dig out some screen shots when I get home. The most important thing regarding readability of the signal is the frequency - if the two carriers on almost exactly 137.790 turn out to be a permanent fixture, it is obviously important not to use this exact frequency; 0.6Hz low seemed to be in the clear. It is clearly neccessary to check how this compares with what people see at different QTH's before making great pronouncements on the subject, though. I will have a look at the frequency calibration again - I had to allow for around 2Hz error in the indicated frequency on the spectrogram, which is much larger than that due to the receiver, and clearly very significant for this type of use. However, drift appears to be insignificant. Measuring frequency to +/-0.1Hz in this way seems to be perfectly realistic. As far as the dot length goes, anything over about 60s should be fine for me, since the 42mHz resolution is as low as DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab goes, as far as I can tell. I think Spectran has narrower resolutions, but my aged PC doesn't seem to be able to cope with it. Spectrum Lab also has nice image recording facilities. I don't currently have any specialised DSP hardware. Some sort of distinctive pattern would be nice; but the overall pattern duration should be less than, say, 15 minutes in order to take advantage of the shorter lived propagation peaks. As far as loading coil shelters go, if made of metal then the individual parts should be connected together and to ground; but there is probably something to be said for not having a continuous screen around the coil in order to minimise eddy currents, shorted- turn effects, etc. The text books say that the distance from the surface of the coil to the screen should be at least the coil diameter, if Q is not to be significantly reduced. Steel is to be avoided due to high losses. Shielding would probably be only a benefit where the coil is located near objects with high dielectric loss - eg hedges, fences, reinforced concrete bunkers, the ground. If the loading coil is well clear of such things, screening is probably unneccessary. I will set the gear up to record tonight, using the same settings as before. let's see if it's more than a one-off! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU