Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6378 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 21:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 21:47:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 11008 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 21:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 21:50:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Md9j-0004Oc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:45:11 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14Md9h-0004OX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:45:09 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp174.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.174]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA03324 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:44:54 +1100 Message-ID: <00bb01c088aa$db7a0a00$0301a8c0@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F0D756A@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> Subject: LF: Re: 2 tone Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:47:50 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Andy, > >I think VK2ZTO has already carried the multi-tone idea to one of it's > logical conclusions, with seperate tones for >each different > alphabetical characters - see 'FDK' on his web pages > http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto. > > The first version wasPiccolo as designed in the 1950s by the UK Foreign > Office for diplomatic comms. 32 tones corresponding to the 32 states of > the 5 bit RTTY code transmitted at 100ms per tone. Various amateur > reincarnations appeared over the years, with the number of tones ranging > from six to 32 with assorted coding schemes. A modern 12 tone varient > is often heard on 14MHz and has been around for the last year. > I see why you think that FDK is a variant of Piccolo, but to me it is completely different. The characters are encoded not in the tones, but the difference between the two tones, so it is not a coding scheme in the sense mentioned above. This allows some further enhancement which is simply not applicable to the other method, for example by center frequency tracking, the software can better pick the tone pairs at the limit of S/N and also truncate the scan band. Also I can't think of a another way of getting a better bit/baud ratio. BTW, the only place I have seen this used is by NASA for deep-space craft health status information. They apparently use two or three tone pairs to indicate various health states of the craft. The difference technique allows them to de-doppler shift a very, very weak signal. I was told about this about 6 months after I proposed my FDK scheme which is coming close to three years old now (and I am stilling pushing it onto a reluctant audience [-). 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URLs: http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX Amateur Radio Astronomy =============================================