Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5151 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 14:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 14:59:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 122 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:02:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14EBms-0008QV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:54:42 +0000 Received: from tomts7.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.40] helo=tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14EBmo-0008QM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:54:39 +0000 Received: from server1 ([216.209.110.57]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010104145356.GUYH1081.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c0765e$2e2a9580$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F0D74E2@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> Subject: LF: Freq stability, cheap source of Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:53:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Greetings All: There is a very cheap source of very high stability reference available to everyone. It is the 1 PPS from almost any second hand OEM level GPS receiver. I have one here that cost $20 US$, about the size of what we once called a penny folder of paper matches. I did a little poking around on the Internet over a year ago and found a chap selling Garmin GPS OEM Model 20 and 25 units complete with the external connector. The unit I have here runs happily on 5V. The removal of selective availability (SA) last year means only the 5% of the time basic jitter is left, references are possible to stabilities in a few parts in 10 - 11th. Brooks Shera published an excellent article in QST on "disciplining" a frequency standard to the GPS 1 PPS signal. see http://www.rt66.com/~shera/index_fs.htm Hope this might help some find a way to improve stability on LF Larry VA3LK