Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18817 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2000 11:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 11:13:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 134iLK-0001Lx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:06:50 +0100 Received: from ns0.to.cnr.it ([150.145.32.10] helo=ccs0.to.cnr.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 134iLB-0001Lr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:06:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from aldo (aldo.to.cnr.it [150.145.34.49]) by ccs0.to.cnr.it with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id NH2WYVGK; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:06:25 +0200 From: "Aldo Marchetto" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Organization: CNR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:06:08 +1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: CFA Antenna: miraculous? In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.20000621103659.0af713fc@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> References: <394F7643.7AC83ACF@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I agree with you that CFAs seen in the literarture are too big for 135 kHz, and not enough efficient To avoid to be flamed, I states immediately that I'm not a supporter nor a detractor of CFA, but I'm only intrigued to see the results of accurate testing of the antenna >-So far I have not found any report that a CFA antenna has been >built by a ham for any frequency. On the contrary, I read on the Antennex magazine that some OM have built CFA for 40 and 80 m, someone are testing one for 160 m and someone also reported a CFA working in VHF (around 100 MHz) I had some interesting exchange of e-mail with some of them and I too I built one for 40/80 meters, 25 cm high. However in most cases (mine included) there was no measurement of the actual performance of the antenna. Most of the OM which built CFAs (including me) did some QSO in the range of 1000 km with the antenna indoor, reported satisfaction or unsatisfaction, but had no instrument or experience to make an accurate comparison among HF antennas. CFA antennas for the ham bands can also be purchased: in December 8th, 1999, G3SMW trasmitted a 10-W beacon Hellschreiber signal in 20 meters using a commercial Crossed-Field (Horizontal Monoband Loop) Antenna 10m above ground, and got several reports. I received his signal in Northern Italy with signals comparable to other G or PA stations running 100 watts to ground planes. However this is only an episodic report, and he was not trying to test the performance of this antenna (we were testing the relative performance of different Hellschreiber codes). I found only two papers reporting field strenght measurement, one from supporters and one from a dectractor of CFAs: 1) WA6HZT and N6YIP in Antennex (June 2000) report a loss of 24 db respect to the filed strenght predicted by models for a quarter wave monopole with 120 radials, for their 1.6-m high CFA on 160 meters. However they declare that this result is provisional, while they are still trying to build better tuning networks. 2) VE2CV in the same journal reports a radiation efficiency of about 1% for his 1.2-m high CFA on 80 meters In my opinion most of the debate is related on the claims that the CFA should perform as well or better than a quarter wave monopole. Probably it would be more proficient evaluate it against other antenna of similar height. It has also been supposed that CFA could represent an alternative way to feed a short, fat monopole and, in this case, it would be interesting to evaluate advantages and disadvantages of this alternative feeding. 73 Aldo IZ1ANT