Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5118 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2000 10:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 Jun 2000 10:49:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12xSRk-0003Wr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 11:43:28 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from fm215.facility.pipex.com ([194.131.104.225]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12xSRj-0003Wl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 11:43:27 +0100 Received: from isis (usercp09.uk.uudial.com [62.188.156.38]) by fm215.facility.pipex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21647 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:42:11 +0100 (BST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000601105903.0097a890@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 11:42:44 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" Subject: LF: Aerial tests. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Re Jim's aerial tests, I had a word with my pal the (retired) Decca aerial guru and showed him some of the emails. He said : (a) If both aerials are vertically polarised only then there shouldn't be any difference between their radiated fields if they're radiating the same power because both are electrically very small. The only difference would be in their conversion efficiency (RF in to RF out). If there is a genuine difference in observed field strength then it simply means there is something wrong in the calculation of ERP - ae efficiency perhaps. Decca obtained their ae. efficiency figures by feeding with a known amount of power and making absolute field strength observations at multiple distant points allowing for different path conductivities. (b) If the small one has an assymetric horizontal component (flat-top) this will complicate matters considerably since it will radiate both vertical and horizontally-polarised and there will be interaction between them that will affect the radiation pattern. So it would be unlikely to have a circular polar pattern and this might account for some of the observed variations. Said it would be better from this viewpoint to make a "T" rather than a "L", then the horizontal would cancel out. (c) Jim's precautions against interaction between aerials were correct and with the big one grounded there would have been very little, if any. between the aerials themselves. However, the small one would have been sharing the earth mat of the big one since it was well within the induction field so it was probably more efficient than thought. (d) The dropped wires were put in simply to increase capacitance back up to the standard Decca 3750 pf. All their coils etc were designed for this figure and it was much cheaper to do this than to have to design and build new coil systems. Don't forget Decca had to transmit five frequencies simultaneously every 20 seconds (lane idents) and getting the same power at the correct phases without any interaction was quite a problem. Hence the complicated ATU coil setup. (e) At one time Decca had a transportable Decca system that used a 100ft mast with a 100ft radius ground plane (wires run out on the surface). Using a 500W Tx they used to get ranges of up to 300 miles over water. (f) Finally he said the main problem with small aerials was the greatly increased voltages and insulation problems. They always had problems on the transportable system to the extent they had a man whose job it was to clean all the insulators every morning and they couldn't be located on coasts because the salt water shorted out everything "in hours". The 100m aerials were only installed at a few sites in the early days in the hope of reducing the number of chains required but it turned out skywave was the limiting range factor (screwed up phasing on which the whole system depended). This meant Decca couldn't be used more than about 200 miles at night, so later transmitters had smaller and much cheaper aerials (150ft "T") which covered up to 200 miles quite adequately. Walter G3JKV.