Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13915 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2000 07:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2000 07:03:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 137uen-0007Bh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:52:09 +0100 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.15]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 137uel-0007Bc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:52:08 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [202.27.181.181] by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000630065132.BZPB20783102.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[202.27.181.181]> for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:51:32 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <395C423B.6102@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:46:19 +1200 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Wire, for LF Antennas References: <003601bfe0e8$bae186c0$0a00a8c0@server1.ThreeLakes.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Larry, Mentioned for completeness, at the Quartz Hill ZL6QH DX station, of which I am a member, we decided to use high tensile 12 gauge galvanised steel wire for replacement of any of the long Vee antennas. Legs are typically 250 to 300 metres long. We modelled the situation and found that losses were only fractional compared to using hard drawn copper. Some have been installed for over a year, and Wellington has a reputation for being "Windy Wellington". The 12 gauge high tensile galvanised steel wire is in regular use for fences on New Zealand farms, so is cheap and available. The ZL6QH Vees are all fairly high (surge) impedance wires at the MF/HF bands and that is why a few more ohms of surface resistance does not give rise to a significant loss factor. An LF antenna may well be a low resistance affair where series resistance in the "top loading" is significant, at least for transmitting efficiency. I think another reply on the reflector mentioned using copper for an "upwire" and galvanised steel for the top loading. In terms of "bang for buck" it could pay to concentrate on a higher upwire than wider top loading. 73, Bob