Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14208 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2000 15:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Jun 2000 15:06:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ybtg-0003L1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 16:01:04 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.200.20.13]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ybtf-0003Jd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 16:01:03 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from as33-s15-150-21.cwci.net ([195.44.150.21] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ybtZ-0002Dw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:00:57 +0000 Message-ID: <393A5D33.D8EE45F7@netscapeonline.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:44:19 +0000 From: "g3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb" Subject: LF: communications systems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Having read and studied many messages lately about various modes and advantages of one over another. BPSK, PSK31, SLOW CW, NORMAL CW etc My conclusion like I have always stated is that NORMAL CW or SLOW CW is more suitable on LF for what we are trying to achieve, especially long distance dx, and short exchanges of information like callsigna and RST. If one wants to shift large volumes of traffic then use digital/data modes and suitable frequencies like vhf/uhf and satellites, where noise is mimimal and phase distortion due to propagation anomalies is also mimimal. Propagation conditions on LF with all the environmental noise and high static levels that most users of the band complain about plus low transmitter power of a max of 1w is more suited to the use of CW where a mimimum of fuss and equipment is required. The operators ideally should be fully competent and experienced in CW. On the question of machine v manual modes. If one uses a computer to visually read slow cw that cannot be heard aurally then it must be a machine function system, otherwise the message or qso could not be conducted. In most cases the very slow cw that I have seen on a screen can be read directly from the speaker and in this case is not considered a machine system. If one is totally dependent on a machine to send and receive very slow cw then it must be considered a machine system. The machine/computer with suitable software is converting the audio into a visual format, and with FFT, processing the signal. If automated sending is used, again this is a machine generated system. The operator participation using a computer for sending/receiving very slow cw is no different to sending/receiving PSK31. You must read the screen in both cases to get the message and you must type the message information to send it. Another factor to consider. Very slow morse generated/received by a computer does not require the operator to know the morse code. The message is typed to be sent and instead of reading the received dots and dashes on the screen, existing software can be modified to print out the message. A couple of professional cw operators one at each end of the proposed transatlantic link will achieve the object. There is no need for synchronised atomic clocks and bandwidths of 0.00000000007hz Keep it simple and all can enjoy and verify it. If someone using the new Hydrogen/Stentlesch clock and a b/w of 0.0000000000000000000007 hz told us that they had made the first qso across the atlantic on 136 khz, how would the rest of us know if they were telling the truth. Would they qualify for any awards????? 73 de G3KEV