Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25958 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2000 04:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 3 Jun 2000 04:09:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12y57i-0004tW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 05:01:22 +0100 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.3]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12y57g-0004sF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 05:01:21 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [202.27.178.108] by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000603040043.MYEU11571275.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[202.27.178.108]> for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:00:43 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <393881DE.3D9D@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:56:14 +1200 From: "Vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Bessel bandpass filter? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks for reading this, I'm doing some study on audio bandpass filters before building a different variant of the PA0LQ stagger tuned filter. Texts suggest that the type of multiple feed back (MFB) op amp filter should not use a Q of greater than about 5, for performance stability, but the PA0LQ design has a Q of just over 30 per stage. I'm going to try a much lower Q and pass band width of 150 Hz or so, and also 800 Hz centre frequency. My thinking is that several sidebands are needed to give reasonable rates of rise and fall times of the keyed signal, and a square wave has odd harmonics. I have also read the SM7CMY thesis and there is mention of a "critical bandwidth" that seems to me to be typically around 150 Hz. The human brain is part of the overall aural filter. It seems that selected stagger tuning is the "answer" to minimising ringing in the (electronic) filter. I guess I will find out in due course if a 150 Hz stagger tuned version "sounds better". For anyone considering active filter variants, there is design information on page 16.28 of the 1999 ARRL Handbook, for a single stage. For the desired application, the mulit stage stagger tuning still needs to be somehow worked out! But the intended thrust of this email is to ask about if anyone can find a reference to a BESSEL BANDPASS filter. Text books all say that the Bessel low pass filter has the most linear phase response (best group delay) of the basic range of filters (Butterworth, Chebyshev, elliptic, Bessel). But I can not find any reference to a BANDPASS variant of the Bessel filter. I have a feeling that it is not realisable mathematically, and that is why it is obvious by its absence as a text book band pass filter, but if there is a filter theory guru on the reflector I would dearly like to hear a response. 73, Bob ZL2CA