Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10039 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 13:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 13:43:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12xrfN-0001P9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:39:13 +0100 Received: from d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12xrfM-0001P2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:39:12 +0100 Received: from d06relay01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06relay01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.166.84.147]) by d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.COM (1.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA74846 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:27:45 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from usa.net (dyn9-87-116-182.italy.ibm.com [9.87.116.182]) by d06relay01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v2.07) with ESMTP id OAA26842 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:38:28 +0100 Message-ID: <3937B8C4.3B437859@usa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:38:12 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" Organization: Undisclosed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Slow CW vs. BPSK. & Computer modes References: <3617AC3245C2D1118A840000F805359C01AB8C85@pdw-mercury-1.dera.gov.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Talbot Andrew wrote: > [snip] > There seems to be no appreciation on this newsgroup of the real value of > coherent detection - that is, having phase information available when > the signal is decoded and coherently locking to the signal carrier and > bit timing. Simple theory, as I covered in a previous email, shows > mathematically the considerable theoretical advantage of coherent > detection over non coherent, there is no dispute about this. > [snip] Andy, from a theoretical point of view you are damn right. But I am not so sure that LF/HF propagation can preserve phase coherence and with it the decoding gain achieved with coherent detection, unless you are willing to use some extra bandwidth to transmit phase information. But, then, I am not a propagation expert, so my comments stop here. 73, Alberto I2PHD