Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27193 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2000 08:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 5 Jun 2000 08:39:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ysG5-0006i8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:29:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ysG3-0006i3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:29:15 +0100 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id JAA28347; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:33:09 +0100 (BST) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25865 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2000 09:24:15 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 5 Jun 2000 09:24:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id JAA20184; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:24:30 GMT Received: from unknown(146.80.11.40) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma020149; Mon, 5 Jun 00 09:24:00 GMT Received: from frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:34:35 +0100 Received: by frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: <3617AC3245C2D1118A840000F805359C01AB8C93@pdw-mercury-1.dera.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: a really weak signal in Canada.... Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:27:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From VE2IQ >It worked on first try. I will now optimize the filter coefficients and >write a single program to go directly from digitized samples on disk at >7200 s/s to a .wav file time-compressed at 8000 s/s. >Anybody else tried this? Yes- It was a bit of fun after my 393km 73kHz contact with G3PLX in 1997 using 50 second dot CW. Peter recorded my signals in I/Q format after mixing down to zero IF at a sampling rate of 6.25 Hz, then sent me the raw data file. I treated this as if it were sampled at a much higher rate - trivial in DSP by just pretending it is at a higher rate - effectively multiplying the signalling by 1000 times. Then upconverted to audio by multiplying the I/Q pairs by SIN / COS samples of a tone of 800 Hz. The resulting samples were then stored in a .WAV file which could be played back conventionally. 50s dots became 50ms which was about 24 WPM (which 'JNT could copy coz he knew what was being sent). A signal comfortably visible on the screen (10 - 15dB S/N in 0.05 Hz bandwidth) became a conventional CW signal easy to copy - with the same S/N effectively in 50Hz bandwidth. Incidently, there was no ringing on this in spite of the narrow filter due to the ability to perfectly optimise DSP filtering. When we tried with weaker signals, it was interesting, but probably not surprising that a signal that became difficult to see also became difficult to hear. To my mind, and memory of three years ago, the results for audio and visual were very similar. Doing the same rate conversion on an early evening to late morning 3.5MHz Dopplergram recording, (see G3PLX's article in RadCom a couple of years ago), resulted in the most wonderful 'whale' like whistling and tones as the ionosphere shifted the signal up and down and introduced extra components. Another in the 'natural sounds' series - wonder if a recording company would be interested ? Andy G4JNT > Quote > I don't know if this has been tried before, but I just tried it and it > worked nicely. > > The general idea is to record an ultra-slow CW signal, then to play it > back speeded up so the human operator can copy the CW message by ear > at normal speed. Ham operators have years of experience trying to dig > weak CW signals out of the noise - by ear - not by looking at a > picture > on a computer monitor. > > I used VA3LK's ultra-weak test signal. > Using FFTZZ, I knew the signal was being received at 803 Hz - after > some > minutes of integration, the spectral line came up out of the noise, so > I > knew beforehand what the exact frequency was. Unfortunately the > signal > was way too weak to be able to decode by any spectral display > technique > available to me, so I hit upon the idea of time-compression. > > I recorded some 578 seconds of audio to hard disk at 7200 samples per > sec. > Then I post-processed that file as follows: > > 1. Run it through a narrow bandpass filter centered on 803 Hz. > > 2. Multiply the resulting data with a sinewave at 825.4 Hz - that > acts like a mixer producing sum and difference frequencies at > 1628.4 and 22.4 Hz respectively. > > 3. Run that waveform through a 32-point FIR lowpass filter to keep > only the 22.4 Hz component. > > 4. Keep only 1 resulting filtered sample out of 32 - essentially > compressing the total recording time by a factor of 32. > > 5. Make it into a .wav file specified as sampled at 8000 s/s and > lasting 16.25 seconds. > > When I played the 16.25 second wav file back I could actually hear the > CW at a reasonable speed (about 35.5 times faster than it was > transmitted) > and at a reasonable tone (about 800 Hz). The ident was easily > recognized. > > It worked on first try. I will now optimize the filter coefficients > and > write a single program to go directly from digitized samples on disk > at > 7200 s/s to a .wav file time-compressed at 8000 s/s. > > Anybody else tried this? > > Bill VE2IQ > > Unquote > > I have the .WAV file and will send to anyone who asks. > > Larry > VA3LK > > > > -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.