Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19331 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2000 01:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 01:48:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12xgRY-000787-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:40:12 +0100 Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com ([204.101.251.53]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12xgRW-000782-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:40:11 +0100 Received: from server1 (Kingston-ppp112258.sympatico.ca [216.209.138.141]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26013 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003e01bfcc32$9f7bb920$0a00a8c0@server1.ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: BPSK's, not all the same. Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:33:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The thread that has been running about BPSK / QRS CW covers the technical issues, but I sense there is an assumption that BPSK as per AFRICA/COHERENT by Bill de Carle and the PSK31 (and it's variants) by G3PLX are radically different implementations of PSK. The purpose of this note is to stimulate a discussion of the differences between the two systems. For starters, PSK31 was defined by Peter Martinez, G3PLX, as being for "keyboard to keyboard" types of applications. This is a new system implementation of what we used to call "Green Keys" type of teletype operation. The basic tenet as I understand it is for keyboard to keyboard QSO's over the radio. In the very opposite sense, C-BPSK as implemented in Coherent/Africa by Bill de Carle, VE2IQ, will accommodate users who wish to use the package for Keyboard to Keyboard, but the REAL PURPOSE of the programs is to get down and dig a signal out of the mud, to do so with the single determination of finding a signal and using every mathematical resource available to pull that signal out of the noise. The application of these packages should take into consideration the job that is desired to be done. Using PSK31 to work over the North Atlantic on 136 would be a gross misapplication of the software unless there was certain knowledge that the task can in fact be accomplished within a reasonable time period. On the other hand Coherent/Africa will patiently wait for months or even years with a minimum of demands on the users for a signal to pop out of the noise. The technical discussion are enlightening and really great but the discussion also needs to consider what the objectives are for the experiment that the user desires to perform. It is obvious to me that there is a need to identify what applications can make the best use of the existing software programs such as QRS CW, PSK31, and Coherent/Africa. If careful attention is given to the details of the system requirements then at the end of the day the software system developers will have new opportunities to make their systems stay on the leading edge of performance. Larry VA3LK