Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13664 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2000 22:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 Jun 2000 22:45:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12xdY3-0006Qd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:34:43 +0100 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12xdY1-0006QY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:34:42 +0100 Received: from [213.1.83.64] (helo=default) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.03 #16) id 12xdXt-0006wC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bfcc19$7d40a320$405301d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: QRS, BPSK and diversity Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:19:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, I monitored Dave G3YXM's attempts to make a PSK31 with Reino OH1TN earlier in the year (or was it last year now). I could see the signal from Reino easily on FFTDSP4 (not one of the most sensitive of DSP waterfall displays available these days) but using the soundcard PSK31 decoder I could not copy a signal at all from Reino, though I had a perfect copy of Dave so the system was working. It may be that the soundcard decoder is not the most sensitive, but that test showed that Dave (with a better aerial than me) could only get PSK31 copy when Reino was fully R5 on hand-keyed morse (not even QRS). I suspect the power output from both Dave and Reino was probably down about 3dB on their normal CW power, due to the need to use a linear system for PSK31. I await Andy's experiments with interest. Several of us have recently copied a QRS beacon from Marco running an estimated 1mW ERP south of the Alps (900kms from me) I think this is well into the area of powers being radiated by the Lowfer beacons allowing for their frequency 50% higher, so their aerials are twice as efficient. Also I suspect the Lowfer beacon keepers who radiate BPSK may be the more technical ones who have the more efficient stations. I think it may be a case of 'horses for courses' and it all depends what you wish to achieve. On the diversity topic, strangely enough I related it to the astronomers correlation proceedures as well Jim, but am I wrong or is it a case of diminishing returns? I suspect you have to double the number of aerials for each 3dB. Four aerials is feasible but gives only 6dB and we would need eight aerials for 9dB which would be a bit of an epic. I did once write a simulation of this using an FFT writen in Basic (a sort of Slow Fast Fourier Transform!) with uncorrelated random noise masking the wanted signal. It certainly works but got the feeling that it was a lot of effort for a fairly small return. We are not interested in locating a source accurately, as are the astronomers so we do not use one of the main points of the VLBA, its spatial resolution. All interesting stuff. Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB Alan.Melia@btinternet.com