Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22201 invoked from network); 22 May 2000 11:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 22 May 2000 11:28:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12tqF4-0001gc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:19:26 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net ([195.102.240.33]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12tqF3-0001gX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:19:25 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 12tqES-0002AE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:18:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.4.R) for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:02:37 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:02:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: Re: Best tone for aural copy In-reply-to: <002b01bfc239$ea9019e0$2546b28f@w8k3f0> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Return-Path: miked@mail.rsgbhq Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: PA0SE wrote: > But when I am busy in my shack doing other jobs I often leave the receiver > on with a wide IF-filter selected, no audiofilter and such high volume > that the headphones function as speaker. I have noted several times that > I could detect a weak signal this way. After putting on the headphones and > switching on the 30Hz audio filter it was often very difficult to read the > signal! It again goes to show that the ear-brain combination acts as > tracking bandpass filter that should not be "assisted" by too much > pre-filtering. I have often noticed that I can read a signal better on the tiny speaker in the lid of my IC-706 Mk1 than I can when I put on headphones. In fact I use phones only to exclude external noise, not to improve readability. Another phenomenon is that a signal will be more readable right on the edge of a filter passband, even slighly down the slope, than in the middle. Is this perhaps because noise very close to the signal is the main problem with the 'filter between the ears' and at least one sideband is attenuated using this method? Is there a clue to DSP designers here in that it isn't the signal that should be peaked, but the noise either side that should be notched? Dick will no doubt also be familar with the old technique of turning headphones up so loud that the diaphragm rattled with the Morse code. Totally off-topic but still with loud headphones, my father told me that in the early days of radio only a few sets could drive a loudspeaker and it would difficult to dance to music with phones on (I'll pause here whilst you make a mental picture of that)! So it was common practice to put the phones in a washing up bowl (enamelled metal in the days before plastic) and this enahanced the volume like the cone on a wind-up gramphone. Hi-fi it wasn't. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm