Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20542 invoked from network); 12 May 2000 09:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 May 2000 09:45:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12qBsh-0005Of-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:37:15 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12qBse-0005Oa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:37:12 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12qBsT-0006uu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:37:02 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.0.R) for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:27:42 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:27:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: QRSS and QRN In-reply-to: <000701bfbbe4$a4acf840$22b1073e@dave> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Return-Path: miked@mail.rsgbhq Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > >From Dave G3YMC > If Spectran and the other programs offer the capability to copy stations > 20dB below noise, in these circumstances this would only take you to s9, > which was certainly copyable with normal CW. I admit the static levels > recently have been much higher than usual, and would not expect anyone to > attempt to work transatlantic under such conditions (or to even ragchew!) > I have two weakish carriers on the band, 136.7 and 137.8 which are > normally just above the noise. I wonder how copy of these is on Spectran > with 20dB over heavy static - I can just about copy traces here in the > crashes. This misses the point. Spectrogram etc can copy CW up to 20db below 'normal' noise. But the duty cycle of static is much lower than noise, therefore there is a =much= greater advantage than 20dB. Using Spectrogram and QRSS, I can receive signals 100% in heavy static that would be impossible to read using normal CW at whatever speed. But in any case it is really up to the individual operator to use whatever technique he feels happiest with, and regardless of what technique is used, S9+ QRN is going to degrade it. Also QRSS is no good for ragchews, no matter how good the S/N is. I will try to demonstrate the advantage of QRSS in static by providing a WAV recording and Spectrogram plot on my web site (which make me the only LF operator hoping there's QRN tonight!). Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm