Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19218 invoked from network); 22 May 2000 21:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 22 May 2000 21:58:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12u00c-00043A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:45:10 +0100 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.15]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12u00b-000425-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:45:09 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [202.27.181.166] by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000522214433.OMSU18042811.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[202.27.181.166]> for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:44:33 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3929A70F.438E@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:30:55 +1200 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Horizontal polarisation References: <3.0.1.16.20000522160058.2e9fb5bc@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rik Strobbe wrote: > > Hello Dave and the others, > > I think that the discussion about antennas with a significant horizontal > part is not 'if' they work (they do work, signals of OH1TN, DJ9IE etc. > prove so), but 'why' or 'how' they work. > > The simple 'toploaded vertical' approach seems not correct to me, because > according to improved current distribution the gain (versus a pure vertical > of the same height) can be no more than 6dB. Also beyong a certain lenght > of the topload (of approxemately 5 times the height) there should be very > little gain. > > Some possible solutions were already given : > - horizontal polarized component > - larger 'footprint', reducing losses > > As this can be a very interesting antenna (for those have the proper space) > it might be worth trying to understand the 'why' and 'how'. > > 73, Rik ON7YD My two pennies worth: Conductive soil "shorts out" the horizontally polarised component anywhere near the conductive surface. However, at LF the "skin depth" can be tens of metres so effective ground level may be somewhat below physical ground level? The antenna wires could have a considerable horizontal component but I believe the substantive radiation component (energy leaving the antenna environment near field) is vertically polarised. Having long lengths of top loading does a lot for "reactance compensation" and minimising the need for a loading coil (and associated coil loss). The "effective height" is still mostly related to the length of the "up wire" and it is the vertical component of the upwire that does most of the radiating. I have never been clear about how the sky wave "starts off" from a transmitting antenna such as a (vertically polarised) LF antenna. While there is a "ground wave" that propagates across the surface of the earth with currents physically present in the soil, it would seem the sky wave could leave directly from the environment of the transmitting antenna. LF DX is achieved by sky wave, so how the wave departs from the transmitting antenna (and reciprocally is received elsewhere) as well as the vertical radiation pattern is where the keen interest exists. This is also where there may be a horizontal component to radiation, probably at higher angles, but it may still do a good job for sky wave DX. Most of the text books on LF are for broadcasting type of applications that plan for reliable ground wave coverage (necessarily with vertical polarisation), and largely ignore the sky wave issues. Amateur DX is otherwise, exploiting the sky wave, so there are some interesting differences in "how to get best results". In New Zealand Bruce ZL1WB consistently pulls the best DX reports, including in VK, and he uses an end fed long wire strung across a gully, and fed with relatively low power. The wire is about 1000 metres long and droops considerably, but always has some ground clearance. Exactly how it "works" remains unexplained to date, but there is no denying that it DOES work. 73, Bob ZL2CA