Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4100 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 16:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 16:23:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fPpV-0001Cu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:17:25 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.71]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fPpR-0001Cn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:17:21 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.6c.2e85b34 (3969) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:16:29 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.2e85b34.2625fb5d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:16:29 EDT Subject: Re: LF: Re. Decca Masts To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 102 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 4/12/00 11:22:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LAURIE@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk writes (excerpted): << The performance of the Decca Ant. is quite interesting, the "gain"or at least the advantage over the normal amateur installation appears to be at least 20db.... This is tremendous and I dont see how it can be attributed to the height alone, conventional wisdom says that a short vertical has the same radiation pattern as a full sise one,and even 300 feet is far short of full sise. So where do we look for the explanation? >> This is not at all difficult to explain. The radiation pattern has very little to do with the difference in signal strength, because as Laurie states, it's not that much different for 300 feet. But, none the less, that difference in height does make a serious difference in the efficiency of the antenna system! Remember a discussion that appeared here previously...it is not enough to compare two antennas based on pattern gain. The net gain or loss of one antenna relative to another must take into account both the vertical and azimuthal patterns, AND LOSSES. The radiation resistance of a 300 foot mast is significantly greater than for a 50 or even 100 foot antenna. Add the fact that losses in the commercial-grade ground system will be lower, and that the installation is probably more clear of local environmental loss contributors (trees, etc.), and you have a tremendous improvement in efficiency over what most amateurs can hope to achieve. If the 20 db figure is a good approximation of the observed difference, the radiation resistance resulting from the increased antenna height is a major component of the total improvement. 73, John