Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23555 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 21:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by redlabel.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 21:14:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fUND-00023b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:08:31 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.200.20.13]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fUN3-00023O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:08:21 +0100 Received: from as32-s16-148-230.cwci.net ([195.44.148.230] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fUMq-0001Gc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:08:09 +0000 Message-ID: <38F4D6D1.2CC9E7F5@netscapeonline.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:04:33 +0000 From: "g3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: TransAtlantic II, test notice - announcement References: <002a01bfa0a2$9b9320c0$0a00a8c0@server1.ThreeLakes.ca> <002f01bfa46a$265d4a80$ba0d01d5@dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave Sergeant wrote: > >From Dave G3YMC > > I wish Larry and the VE team all the best for their forthcoming > transatlantic tests - the choice of a period in November is excellent, and > if there is a chance then (and December) is the optimum time. > > There has been discussion here on the use of sophisticated coherent > reception techniques to achieve this aim. These may well be necessary, and > it is going to be no mean task. However who knows what will happen next > November. With the strength of CFH (and DCF39 in VE) some nights in the past > season my feeling is that it may not be as hard as we think. In the event > that a 2-way QSO is made using conventional CW and with antennas more in > keeping with a normal amateur station I think it would be fair to give > credit to that QSO, with a certificate or whatever, even though the first > QSO qualifiying for the Challenge may indeed be with specialist techniques. > > I think it would have given Peter Bobek a very special thrill if his aims > were met by a normal amateur using normal CW and an average station. It may > prove difficult (and it is certainly not possible with my existing set up!) > but it should not be considered impossible. Remember that at one time > transatlantic QSOs on Top Band were the rarity, whereas today they are > commonplace. A very sensible observation. The whole LF senario is becomming rediculous. A couple of good cw operators at each end and a good antenna that the radio amateur has engineered and installed himself. How can anyone claim any credit/achievement using a commercial antenna system and data systems that need chip rate detectors controlled by computers. This is getting away from what is considered the norm in amateur radio. It is more like Robotic amateur radio and appliance operating. Top prize on 136 khz should go to those that have built their own TX/Antenna/and have the ability to send/receive morse code at a suitable speed to make the qso across the Atlantic or elswhere. Secondary any other mode that one cares to use with their own antenna and commercial antenna farms are totally non amateur radio. G3KEV > > > 73s Dave > dsergeant@iee.org > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sergeantd