Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25382 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2000 11:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by dimple.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 11:31:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12g49U-00008k-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:20:44 +0100 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12g497-00008d-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:20:22 +0100 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id MAA15879; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:22:52 +0100 (BST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 24461 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2000 12:17:15 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 12:17:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id LAA14547; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:07:47 GMT Received: from unknown(146.80.11.40) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma014478; Fri, 14 Apr 00 11:07:37 GMT Received: from frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:21:41 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: by FRN-GOLD-1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2J0979Z6>; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:16:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3617AC3245C2D1118A840000F805359C0175285E@PDW-MERCURY-1> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: "'LF Group'" Cc: "'KZY'" Subject: LF: DSP Experimentation, Antenna book etc. Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:16:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: If anyone wants to experiment with simple DSP techniques beyong just plugging in Gram etc, or even wants to try some programming without having to learn Windows API calls and how to use the soundcard, ICs for the serial port interface described in RadCom a good few years ago are still available. For those who don't remember the article, this was an 8 bit A/D converter digitising audio at 10000 / 7142 / 2500 Hz and sending the samples up the serial port to a PC. The idea being that this was a simple way for users to develop their own DSP type software in standard high level programming language without having to bother with the digitising side of matters. PC software available with the module at the time generated waterfalls and spectrum plots, although I have to admit that for these functions alone, these days you are better off using Gram and the Soundblaster. With slightly different PIC code for the interface, and a change of crystal, it will also work at 7200 Hz sampling instead of the overcomplicated sigma-delta interface specified for the VE2IQ software One function also available with this module was a simple downconversion from a 1000 Hz tone to zero frequency, the output consisting of Inphase and Quadrature components allowing phase measurements and vectorscope type programmes to be written easily. As far as I know, this function is not yet freely available for the S/B (sits back and waits for howls of refutation). A quick plug now - a commercial version of this interface with additional slow speed data logging functions built in, is available from HF Instruments - see their advert in the latest RadCom and web page HF-INST.CO.UK. The data logging function could be useful, for instance, for recording the AGC line over many hours while listening to a propagation beacon in the same way that a chart recorder would be used. To Larry and Co. if you have a 56002EVM available I now have some software for the PC that will let you sample a signal at 0.035 Hz (much faster rates are also of course possible), and produce waterfalls this wide looking in a bandwidth of 0.00012 Hz (yes, 120uHz). For QRSS that would require a dot length of 4 - 7 hours and around 12 days for a callsign. Rather silly but quite possible! I produced an overnight Dopplergram plot of the DCF77 time transmission and managed to clearly see some ionospheric spreading at night not present during the daylight hours. There really are visible ionospheric effects on 77 kHz signals but the picture is marred by the few mHz drift due to the Codec crystal changing the sampling rate as the room cooled in the night. If anyone wants a copy of this contact me directly on G4JNT@ARRL.NET After reading all comments / discussions / arguments / heated debate about antennas recently ........ Just found a very good book on antenna design on a work colleague's bookshelf. "The Handbook of Antenna Design" Vols 1 & 2 by A Rudge, K Milne et al. ISBN 0-86341-052-9. Thought by many to be one of the best books on antennas there is. After a serious bit of arm twisting I managed to borrow it from him for a few days. There is a decent sized chapter (over 100 pages) on VLF / LF antennas and another large chapter on HF ones. More importantly it does not have pages upon pages of squiggly maths - just simple equations that the average non-mathematician can actually use and plenty of diagrams and graphs to just read off the results. And finally ........... To those who complained they have never heard me on LF. I don't, and won't, operate normal speed CW. I hate the mode but will just about use it under protest on 10 GHz where it works well for rainscatter (and we keep to decent speeds with much repetition anyway). On LF I intend to stay with the far more effective (in S/N terms even if not in simplicity) PSK and other systems even if it means very few people to work ! Morse might be cheap and simple, but that is it's only advantage these days. CW may well be a skill, but not one I'm prepared to practice at keeping up (Sits back and waits for even more flak !) Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.