Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23472 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2000 10:42:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 Apr 2000 10:42:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ebWb-0001HQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:34:33 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12ebWZ-0001HK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:34:31 +0100 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id LAA28192; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:37:00 +0100 (BST) X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 25159 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2000 11:29:30 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 10 Apr 2000 11:29:30 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id KAA19705; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:22:30 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown(146.80.11.40) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma019676; Mon, 10 Apr 00 10:22:09 GMT Received: from frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:36:54 +0100 Received: by FRN-GOLD-1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2J096640>; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:32:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3617AC3245C2D1118A840000F805359C0175284F@PDW-MERCURY-1> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "'PLX'" Subject: LF: RE: TransAtlantic II Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:32:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: It would be unfortunate to limit ourselves to just use of these two relatively simple pieces of DSP software which at the end of the day are really just narrowband power detectors in not that narrow a bandwidth. Remember, the very first long distance QSO on 73kHz between myself and G3PLX was made in 0.04 Hz bandwidth using something like 300uW ERP with plenty of signal in hand - whereas the likes of Spectrogram can only get down to around 1.3 Hz BW. The same bandwidth can be achieved with a filter made from 5 watch crystals at 32 kHz - I've done it. . I feel there is a lot more to be gained by coherent integration techniques. Use of the VE2IQ software and other slow BPSK modes goes some way towards this, but all suffer badly from the need for clock recovery and tracking. The need to get initial timing information throws away much of the usefulness of this mode. The ultimate solution is to use GPS timing. I know quite a number of operators in the US are now using GPS locked frequency and time sources, and they are begining to make an appearance here. Having the transition points of the bit intervals known precisely to the microsecond (if the path length is known) leaves the signal recovery task to be merely an integration over whatever time is needed for the bandwidth with no lockup or preamble phase. TAPR have a range of GPS and frequency locking projects / kits. Who in the US Lowfer community have the DSP hardware, even if not the programming skills, to experiment with these techniques. Ideally, if a Motorola DSP 56002EVM module, GPS receiver and carrier frequency known accurately to milli Hz are availble software can be shared and experiments made with known equipment capabilities. Some people are going to spend lots of time/money/effort on antennas and PAs, why not put a similar effort into signal processing as well. So what if it takes 10 hours to send a message, at least it will have been sent from a station that does not have a farm on which to erect huge antennas. Andy G4JNT >>From VA3LK >There is precious little time left to develop computer DSP skills, such as >expert use of the software Spectrogram and Gram, .........- we have begun to understand the issues >involved in bringing TransAtlantic II to an operational status. -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.