Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1023 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2000 15:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 15 Apr 2000 15:20:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12gUFj-0004Nc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:12:55 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ds-img-5.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.138] helo=spdmgaae.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12gUFi-0004NX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:12:54 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id LAA06019 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:12:10 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:11:32 -0400 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength G3WSC in DL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200004151111_MC2-A157-523@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave, >9 x 9 = 81 and 81x 5 ohms = 405 Watts (after losses) delivered to the >antenna which at 15% efficiency is just about 60W radiated. > >and yes, the variometer ( A litz wire professional unit) was quite warm. > >As for radiation pattern / ERP / and the path loss over 697km.. I'll leave >that to the you and the group. - I look forward to seeing the data on the >website. thanks for the information on your estimated ERP. With the1 kW CCIR curve for 150 kHz groundwave propagation this lies exactly on the line (or even a little bit above the line) for 5 S/m conductivity (which at lease we here in DL don't have, only 6 to 7 mS/m. So its obviously the skywave part that helped to boos the signal a little bit. Your 13 W ERP of my QSO with G3WSC yesterday also fits into this range. Only the 1 Watt ERP of your last week's preliminary experiments seemed a little bit high. For those of you that have no clue where to find that CCIR curve: I have posted the 150 kHz one as additional information on my webpage, go to "What's New" and follow the link to the information of my field strength measurements of DCF39 that Gamal and myself took, there you will find it. I don't know if the publication of that charts breaks any copyright rule (I did not find any copyright remark in the CCIR document ...), but I think this is a document that should be at least partly in public domain (if anyone feels or has any information that it should not be published, please let me know ...). Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) http://www.qru.de