Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27209 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2000 22:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Apr 2000 22:08:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12bsQV-0006Q7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 23:00:59 +0100 Received: from gidora.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.25]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12bsQR-0006Og-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 23:00:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 1410 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2000 22:00:30 -0000 Received: from ppp189.dyn144.pacific.net.au (HELO steve) (210.23.144.189) by gidora.zeta.org.au with SMTP; 2 Apr 2000 22:00:30 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01bf9cee$e689c000$0301a8c0@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2000032922075768199@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Fast CW and big antennas... Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:00:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day All, Once again, thanks to all that have replied directly. I'm sorry but I can't reply to you all directly because of time restrictions. I must admit to be a little stirred up as it has become apparent from some of the direct contacts to me that there are a significant number of potential operators out there who are intimidated by the disparaging remarks about modest installations to such an extent that they are discouraged from entering the LF area of operation. Be reassured that there is a silent majority out there that will encourage you no matter how small your installation is. The LF bands are NOT DXCC bands or an arena for seeing who has the biggest this or that - it is, in most countries, allocated as an EXPERIMENTAL band. That is why you can use modes on LF which are not allowed in some countries on the HF bands (so I am told). As for the assertion about relative costs for masts and transceivers. I obviously am not in the same monetary class as those who would say that a tower costing over £2000 (over $5300 Aus) is an option. I do have a modern transceiver which cost me nearly $3000 Aus but I saved for a long time (a long time and much talking and justification with the XYL) for this, but it gives me access to all bands to 70cm (including LF receive). Another contribution carries the implication that those who are keen to engage in DSP should remember that not everyone has a PC. Well, over here a PC capable of running Spectrogram (and other things - logging, antenna analysis, etc) will cost you less than $500 - one tenth the cost of the suggested tower from the other contribution. So to those that are thinking about getting on the air on LF - DON'T be put off by the fear that your activity will viewed as not worth the bother. The reason we have been granted the privilege of using these LF frequencies is for experimentation (nowhere in the submissions for access to LF to the relevant regulatory bodies will you find the purpose as being for DXCC, biggest antennas or CW skills - but you will find the words experimentation and investigation) and so if you want to experiment with a 6m pole and are thrilled to make it over a 30km path - go do it!! If you do something different from the accepted 'norm' then it could be argued that you have made more of a contribution above what can be just copied from commercial installations. If we just strive to mimic commercial installations what is the point? How can we argue with our regulatory authorities that we are worthy of access to LF if they see that we are just re-inventing the wheel? Finally, to those of you that emailed me with indications of being discouraged because of the modesty of their installations, I can re-assure you that there IS a silent majority out there whose LF capabilities range from the very modest to the top-most capability whose motivation is one of the pure thrill of the challenge (whether 10km or 2000km) and are competing with the physics, etc, not each other. So in summary, there are plenty of us who just want to have a free exchange of ideas while just a few want to mass debate :-) Regards Steve Olney VK2ZTO (P.S. I was going to add more letters here, eg., two Degrees and one Diploma, but I didn't want to appear to be a wanker, and they are totally irrelevant to Amateur activities anyway :-)