Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26520 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2000 15:11:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 15:11:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fl9g-0005AD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:03:40 +0100 Received: from mta01.talk21.com ([62.172.192.171] helo=t21mta01-app.talk21.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fl9c-0005A7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:03:37 +0100 Received: from dave ([62.7.176.24]) by t21mta01-app.talk21.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000413150228.HHMW25243.t21mta01-app.talk21.com@dave> for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:02:28 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01bfa559$57ebb240$18b0073e@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2000041223543468199@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: TransAtlantic II Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:44:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC Peter Dodd wrote: >I don't recall that DJ8WL had any hang-ups about using QRSS - in fact >all my QSOs with him used this mode Yes I am aware that Peter was a keen supporter of slow CW. However after many pleasant QSOs with him years ago on Top Band I can also say he was a most enthusiastic and very proficient normal CW operator. Some of my comments yesterday have been taken slightly out of context. By saying that due reward should be given for a normal CW transatlantic QSO, this is not to imply that QRSS or other computer modes are not equally valid, and may indeed be necessary. It was just to say wouldn't it be nice if we could indeed do it using traditional amateur techniques. And normal CW should not be written off too soon as being impossible, as regardless of theoretical calculations the human ear is incredibly good at copying CW way below noise, so in the right conditions it might just be possible. When November comes it will be an opportunity to try all the techniques currently available. It may well be that only the coherent modes get through, but it would also be great if we find we can have normal CW QSOs as well. Also the opportunity to use the Decca masts in the current experiment is a golden opportunity which shouldn't be missed. It may well be argued that QSOs made with commercial stations shouldn't count for rewards, but that is not the point. We all keep looking at these masts and say 'if only' - now we can see if they do really give the enormous advantage we calculate, and give us useful guidance on how to make our own modest set ups work better. It is after all a hobby. Re: the key click comments. Key clicks within a 250Hz band are probably not the sort of clicks we often hear on the other bands which spread much further, and are very much a function of the drive rise and fall times of the keying envelope (NOT the ac drive itself). To achieve inaudible clicks this close to the carrier is indeed no mean feat, and I am sure a lot of care was taken by the team involved. It is hardly a licensing issue, except that the transmission may possibly be occupying a slightly wider bandwidth than strictly necessary for the speed of CW in use - the amplitude of the 2nd and 3rd harmonics and any out of band spurii would be, I wonder if these were measured by the complainant? As it is, the clicks would only affect someone else trying to work a weak station very close to the Puckeridge station. I am therefore a little puzzled why the gentleman involved chose to call CQ so close, possibly causing QRM himself to the operation, when at that particular time there was plenty of empty band further LF. I am away this weekend so will not be able to monitor the Puckeridge operation this time. Hopefully there will be another chance before it is dismantled. Cheers Dave dsergeant@iee.org http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sergeantd