Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17681 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 12:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 12:23:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12T1s1-000257-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:16:49 +0000 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net ([195.102.240.137]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12T1s0-000252-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:16:48 +0000 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 12T1rl-0006VJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:16:34 +0000 Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.0.R) for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:09:59 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:09:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF antennas In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.20000309131959.21d7453a@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> References: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Return-Path: miked@mail.rsgbhq Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ON7YD wrote: > Now we take the real-world case and assume a loss of 100 Ohm (environement > + coil). If we put 100W into this system we will have an antennacurrent of > 1A and radiate 8.2mW (-42dB compared to the 'perfect case'). The question > is if we can take the directivity of a perfect vertical (2.6dB) into > account ? My opinion is that we have to take this gain into account, as > the enviromental losses already played their part by limiting the > antennacurrent. But the only way to find out what really happens is to > measure the radiation pattern of the antenna, is the anyone with acces to > a small airplane or helicopter ? Hmmm. Well I think we do have to take earth losses into account twice. This is because it not only affects the ERP because of the effective resistance in series with the source (which is also affected by any resistance in the connection to the earth), but it also affects the 'ground gain' which is the result of reflection from the ground after the signal has left the antenna. I am inclined to think that in a practical amateur LF station there is little or no ground gain by reflection, except perhaps where the station is very near the sea. By 'ground' I am including any radial system which in a commercial station dramatically improves the real ground resistance close to the antenna, but is usually very inefficient in an amateur station. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm