Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17372 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 20:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 20:46:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12QFtY-000615-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:38:56 +0000 Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.67]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12QFtX-000610-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:38:55 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.49.1820cfe (3964) for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <49.1820cfe.25eed9a7@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:37:59 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: Low loss inductors To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 42 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 3/1/00 2:29:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, computernetworks@excite.com writes: << So Q = 1722/4.46 = 386, which is somewhat better than your conventional coil. >> If someone actually performs such a measurement (I hope someone can; math is wonderful and theory is indispensible, but the only way to see if theory is being applied correctly is to test a hypothesis under controlled, repeatable conditions) I think we'll find it to be significantly worse, not better. For one thing, the DC resistance of the center conductor will be found to be somewhat greater than 4.46 ohm in practice, and effective resistance at RF is invariably higher than for DC. For another, as I believe Rik ON7YD has already pointed out, dielectric loss cannot be dismissed as insignificant at these frequencies, considering the lengths of cable involved and the additional loss that results from operating under deliberately-induced high SWR conditions. 73, John