Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8415 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 09:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 09:47:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12TLpj-00059j-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:35:47 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12TLpg-00059e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:35:44 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA63974 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:35:34 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000310113241.2d67b39a@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:32:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: gain of short vertical monopole In-reply-to: <38C80E07.17473F98@bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I am very pleased with the discusion about the 'gain' (ahum ... apart from the many dB groundloss) of a short vertical monopole. It is very interesting to read the various points of view. What about following experiment : 1. Someone with good 'ground-connection' (let's say less than 50 Ohm loss) adjusts the TX power to get a certain antennacurrent. The (relative) signalstrength is measured accurately (can be done by one or more other hams at their stations). 2. Now the TX station disconnects the 'ground-connection'. This (hopefully) will increase the groundloss to a significantly higher value. The TX power now is adjusted (increased) to get exactly the same antennacurrent as in 1. The (relative) signalstrength is now measured again and compared to the signalstrength of 1. If the signalstrength has changed this indicates that the 'gain' is dependent of the groundloss (and vice versa). The distance between TX and RX should be in the 30 to 100km range and maybe the experiment is best done during daytime. This makes shure that you are measuring the 'far-field' and surface wave. The Rx stations should measure the relative signalstrength with an AF-voltmeter at the audio-output of the RX (or using spectogram with linear scale) and you might need a very sharp eye to see any differences on a (more or less logaritmic) s-meter. In practice it might be better to start with step 2 (at full TX power) and the reduce the power to get the same antennacurrent is step 1. 73, Rik ON7YD