Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14065 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 23:07:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 23:07:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12SSvd-0008JS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:58:13 +0000 Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12SSvc-0008JL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:58:12 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.2.1724435 (4410) for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <2.1724435.25f6e355@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:57:25 EST Subject: LF: Speckle from the Alps? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 62 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF folks, John wrote in "LF: Weekend report" on 06/03/00 >The local variation in signal strength was again very apparent on Sunday >morning when HB9DCE's signal was poor with both G3YXM and myself, but >Berth was getting R5 reports from GB2CPM and G3XDV - the reverse of the >situation Mike reported last time. It would be very interesting to establish >for certain whether this is due to an enhancement effect (i.e. Mike and >Peter were receiving better than other stations either side) or a >cancellation effect (i.e. Dave and I were in a null). Perhaps we could set >up a 'reports pool' for noting simultaneously the strengths of stations in >Switzerland and Italy (whose signals seem to produce this effect over the >UK) by a number of observers? > > Regards John G4GVC near Leicester, IO92JP Thinking about these observations, there is a striking analogy to the speckle patterns seen in a number of fields, e.g. atmospheric seeing in astronomy, ultrasonic tissue imaging, ground clutter in microwave radar, or (most well known) the structure in a laser spot on the wall. Basically it is caused by the superposition of a number of coherent wavefronts generated by stochastic scattering from some inhomogeneous medium. For LF, flat terrain with trees, houses etc. is smooth because all the obstacles are small compared to a wavelength. Mountain ranges however are a rough surface. The angular granularity ("directivity") of the resulting pattern depends inversely on the lateral width of the radiating zone. If one would assume that Toni's rays are diffused over a region say 20 km (20*lambda/2) wide, this would result in lobes 1/20 radians wide or 50 km "coherence width" at 1000 km. It would be interesting to derive that by observations, I'd expect a somewhat smaller coherence width for broader illumination from transmitters behind the Alps. As the modulation is spatial, not temporal, speckle patterns normaly are static, unless something moves. As the scattering centers (mountains!) are fixed, we might imagine the ionosphere acting like a slowly tilting mirror, sweeping the whole pattern across the receivers. But maybe the scattering centers are not only the rocks themselves: Bob Brown, NM7M, had a fascinating article in QST 12/99 "Bubbles in the Ozone Layer", suggesting that turbulent air-flow over mountain ranges could cause bubbles affecting the ultraviolet irradiation to the D-Layer before sunrise. Regards Markus, DF6NM