Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25169 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 16:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 16:37:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12T5oQ-0004Pz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:29:22 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12T5oP-0004Pn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:29:21 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id l.1c.1583c8a (3970) for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <1c.1583c8a.25f92b2e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:28:30 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF antennas To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 42 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Oops! Between the time I composed my message and the time I finally reconnected in order to send it, Mike and others had already commented on the 2.6dB directivity. However, I believe my observation offers a way out of having to consider ground losses twice. If we refer to vertical pattern directivity and azimuthal pattern directivity, we understand them to be assumed ideal conditions. Since the overall gain is the mathematical product of those two factors and the real-world losses, the losses can legitimately be lumped into one single factor of the product that affects the whole outcome. Of course, that factor may be a complicated one to describe mathematically in the real world, involving in the simplest case the radiation resistance of the antenna versus losses in the tuning coil and earth; and in more complicated cases, involving the added problem of other objects in the vicinity, their conductivity, the mutual impedances between them and the antenna, and so on. But I think the important point is, the loss factor can be legitimately separated from the two directivities, and thus allow us to consider them in the realm of the ideal. It's just that, when comparing antennas, we need to specify whether we are talking about overall gain (which includes the loss factor) or directivity alone. 73, John