Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20157 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2000 15:16:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 15 Feb 2000 15:16:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12KjUb-0004ae-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:02:21 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.sci.fi ([195.74.0.41] helo=pyyhe.saunalahti.fi ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12KjUX-0004aZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:02:17 +0000 Received: from default (MMDVII.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.44.107]) by pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA23883 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:12:57 +0200 (EET) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000215170209.00802c90@laatikko.saunalahti.fi> X-Sender: oh2lx@laatikko.saunalahti.fi (Unverified) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:02:09 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E4in=F6_Lehtoranta?= Subject: Re: LF: How bad my receiver was.... In-reply-to: <200002150001_MC2-992A-9956@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: About short or long period signal level recordings Any stable, preferably calibrated, selective rf level meter should be useful for short period signal strength variation checks. Or even for long time recordings, providing there is a convenient "AGC" voltage output available as a function of input rf voltage. In the 1970's we at the Monitoring station attempted to use slightly modified Icom-R70 and R71 receivers but it proved difficult to stabilize the AGC voltage picked up from selected test points in rx AGC circuitry. Also, the lowest indicated *S* level was excessively large, around 20..30 dBuV. A bus controlled R&S ESH3 was used for 24h VLF/LF/MF/HF Field strength measurements during 1989-1999, with a *CCIR* type commecial, 1 m long active monopole placed in a open field. Rf pick-up by long 3/4" coax cable was cut with ferrite rings. A description of *CCIR* measuring system is on the ITU-R Docs. I must be lucky to have an extremely useful but expensive R&S ESH2 test receiver available now at home, while retired. Hope that my Decca etc signal strength reports have given some ideas of day to day variation, even with such a point checks. At the moment I test using a small Pico (Picotechnics Ltd) AD converter fed from ESH2 recorder voltage output into LPT1. Below about 400..500 kHz the noise from PC is excessively high. Pico DOS & Windows data logging, scope etc software are useful. There have been different opinions on the use of absolute versus relative indicated and logged input level values. In case of real measuring receiver like ESH2 the use of relative power level (dBm, I write it dBmW) is justifiable. Like most measuring rx's, ESH2 meter is calibrated in dBuV. In my case: add +20 dB for approximate LF field strength About *SID* effect: I sent Geri some pictures of selected SID effects on LF ground wave and/or ionospheric signals. May suggest that in most cases *hard X-rays* produced in a solar flare, the indicated LF levels may increase but as shown in these examples the opposite can frequently happen. 73 de Vaino, OH2LX At 00:00 15.2.2000 -0500, Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) wrote: > >just read that Larry, VA3LK works on further improving his receiving >station after having been able to hear DCF39 33 dB above the noise last >weekend. > >If we find a reliable way to find out, when solar flares occur, we have a >real good chance of crossing the Atlantic even with our small ERP signals. >I know that Peter, DF3LP, was able to observe a flare the other day when he >recorded a constant signal of an LF time signal (HBG75 on 75 kHz). The >receiving level suddenly wend up by 10 or 15 dB above the normal and then >dropped slowly down to normal within half an hour or so. If we combine a >receiver's AGC voltage output to a voltage gate switch that is connected to >a bell, we should be able to have an alarm go off to indicate, that >conditions are above normal. > >I still have a spare MV61 level meter with a voltage output in the 0 to 2 >Volt range and will connect it to a voltage recorder. Lets see, if we can >correlate sudden increases of signal strength to occurances on the sun. >Vaino, you are quite experienced in recording field strenght data. Any >comment on that? > >Best 73 Geri ---------------------------------------------------------- V.K.Lehtoranta, OH2LX, POBox 50, FIN-05401 Jokela, Finland ------ Tel: +358-9-4173965 ---- Fax: +358-9-4173961 ------ E-mail: vaiski@dlc.fi - alias: oh2lx@dlc.fi & oh2lx@sral.fi