Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1059 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 11:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 11:59:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12GhHY-0008Nw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:52:12 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12GhHV-0008Nr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:52:09 +0000 Received: from [213.1.148.161] (helo=default) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12GhHN-00068V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:52:04 +0000 Message-ID: <001601bf6f05$9dbb9860$a19401d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: Hum sidebands Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:46:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I seem to remember that the 50/100 Hz sidebands were quoted as -45dB on the main signal for the growler on 73 kHz. I think we have to be just a little careful when we interpret displays from sound card FFTs on very big signals. Despite the bit count I suspect that 45dB is approaching the dynamic range of the system. There are also effects that can occur which are a function of the sound card AGC, and the FFT processing, sample rate, windowing, smoothing, and anti-aliasing. Not to mention intermod effects. Nevertheless I often see a pair of 100Hz sidebands on the stronger signals received here on 136kHz. G3KAU, G3XTZ, G3YXM, G3KEV, G3LDO. These are usually of the order of 30-35dB down on the main signal, but I am not convinced that this is an accurate view of what is really happening. I suspect a conventional Spectrum Analyser closer to the Tx would report much lower levels. I have noticed that some signals will produce a ghost image that I think is an intermodulation product of some kind in the wide-band display on FFTDSP4, but not on the normal display. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com