Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8137 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2000 10:34:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 Feb 2000 10:34:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12JZjf-000202-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:25:07 +0000 Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.127.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12JZje-0001zx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:25:06 +0000 Received: from v3q4v1 (dc2-isdn876.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.151.108]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27372 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:24:59 +0100 (CET) From: "M. Sanders \(PA3BSH\)" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: DCF39 now 21 db above the noise! Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:18:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bf7542$762523a0$6c976dc2@v3q4v1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <001701bf74f7$0d07c3a0$0a00a8c0@server1.ThreeLakes.ca> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, FB Larry! Please continue the experiments. It is essential to learn the propagation paterns and fading phenomena. I would like to take a look at one of your .WAV files. For the record: In the Netherlands DCF39 is S9+50dB. The strongest German stations located near DCF can make signals at a level near S9! This indicating a relative ERP level of approx. -50dB. At the 21dB above noise from DCF39 in Canada we can estimate the Radio Amateurs at 29dB BELOW! noise level. If DCF is monitored already at minimum bandwith and with maximum noise reducing techniques i am afraid we still have to figure out how to dig deep into the noise and detect the signals. Who has experience with <-29dB to noise level signal identification? CoherentCW, PSK, SlowCW, dedicated DSP algotithms? There are lock-in amplifiers using similar techniques maybe we can benifit there. Best 73's and gl on lf Michael Sanders, PA3BSH > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]namens > Larry Kayser > Verzonden: zaterdag 12 februari 2000 2:18 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: DCF39 now 21 db above the noise! > > > Greetings All: > > As I write this DCF39 is 21 dB over the noise here in Eastern Ontario. > > 200002120116 UTC > > Larry > VA3LK > > > > >