Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9865 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2000 19:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 8 Jan 2000 19:48:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 1271hW-0001Ur-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:39:02 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 1271hV-0001Um-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:39:01 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from dennison.demon.co.uk ([194.222.239.33]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1271hT-0003Nr-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:38:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:37:30 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Mike Dennison" Subject: Re: LF: LF antenna In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.20000104153138.2f4797da@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ON7YD wrote: >A bit desperate I started my final attempt, again inspired by Mike, G3XDV, >who reported an improvement of his antenna by adding some inductance at the >top of the vertical section of his antenna. [big cut] DCF39 seemed about a S-point stronger, but that could be >just QSB. Also G3AQC who was CQ-ing sounded stronger, but the ear can be >very subjective. I called Laurie, being curious about my report. To my >pleasure I got a 1 S-point better report than I got so far from him, so it >was not just my imagination that despite the lower antennecurrent signals >were stronger. >The same evening I managed to work Finbar, EI0CF, (got 439 / 539) for the >first time after having called him over and over for the last year. >The next days reports from several stations (G4GVC, G3YXM, DK8KW) showed an >increase of 1 S-point. Very interested in this report from Rik. At the time I announced my success, Rik spent some time running through the maths with me to show that theoretically there should be no improvement - and I could not argue with that. I recall replying that if practice and theory did not agree, believe the practice. Recently, Dick, PA0SE, also argued mathematically and by modelling that there was no improvement to be had. Later, after many e-mails and discussions with others, I came to wonder whether my experience was unique, and was probably due to the vertical part of the antenna being very close to the house (therefore anything that increased the current high up - above the house - gave me a better signal that it would for anyone else). This, of course, could still be true as Rik has considerable screening by trees. I shall be shorting out the top coil later this month so I can use the antenna in the CW WW 160 contest, and will carry out some before and after tests at that time. I believe that optimum results should occur when the antenna is made self-resonant, but I suspect it will be affected badly by changes in the environment (trees in summer/winter, rain, ice, etc). It's probably not worth reopening the debate which has already been well aired, unless someone can make the maths fit the experimental results. -- Mike, G3XDV IO91VT http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm