Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19187 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2000 20:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by grants.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 14 Jan 2000 20:03:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 129Cqh-0000jd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:57:31 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.211]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 129Cqg-0000jY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:57:30 +0000 Received: from modem-30.rocknroll.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.105.158] helo=gateway) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 129CqY-0008RU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:57:22 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000114192216.00a8ee80@pop.freeserve.net> X-Sender: twickenham.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:56:04 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rob Gill" Subject: Re: LF: 35 km band In-reply-to: <387F6A36.E74839EC@netins.net> References: <000401bf5eb7$87adbe80$af5d97d4@win95.swipnet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12:25 14/01/00 -0600, Tom Gruis, Ed.D. wrote: >You might also check out "cave radio" and spelunkers (Sp.?) pages. I >have read articles in the past about these frequencies. One thing that >comes quickly to mind is direct loop to loop transmission. The problem with loop to loop operation at these frequencies is that is subject to the inverse cube law of magnetic induction rather than an inverse square law. A few hundred metres is a useful range for a cave radio but the power required for greater range very quickly becomes impractical. The "earth bi-pole" approach of John Taylor G0AKN, referred to by Andre' Kesteloot a few days ago, may be a better approach at these frequencies (ref: the exchanges regarding the AMRAD Antenna about a week ago). This technique is now frequently used for cave radio purposes with significantly greater range when one or both of the inductive loop antennas is replaced with an "earth-current" antenna. Cave radios generally operate at 73kHz or above rather than audio frequencies. I know that John has recently experimented with some success at audio frequencies, and I think he monitors this mail reflector. I'm sure he would be happy to offer advice on antennas for the 35km band. Rob +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Rob Gill, Cave Radio and Electronics Group 61 Cross Deep Gardens, Twickenham, Middlesex TW1 4QZ, England email: creg@bcra.org.uk +------------------------------------------------------------------------+