Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20460 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2000 09:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 09:08:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12AUVL-0006yV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:00:47 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12AUVK-0006yQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:00:46 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA107828 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:00:42 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000118105855.2ecf574c@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:58:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Transatlantic In-reply-to: <38837377.985BD716@netscapeonline.co.uk> References: <388286AC.2ACD0DEE@netscapeonline.co.uk><02ed01bf605e$2d643f00$0600a8c0@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 11:54 17/01/00 -0800, G3KEV wrote: >There is a big difference in the radiation pattern and angle of take off >between a high vertical antenna and a very low antenna given the same rf power >to the antenna. 1 Watt erp from a dummy load or low horizontal wire is hardly >the same as 1 Watt erp from a vertical antenna at 120 ft. There is also the RX >consideration especially on long haul signals. At LF the delivery system ie >ANTENNA is the most important factor. Even with large towers, and high >elaborate antennas, which are still physically small relative to 137 khz and a >limit of 1W erp, one has to realize the limitations, but at least there might >be a chance. Indeed the radiation angle is important. But on longwave we have a very strong groundwave, so radiation at 0 degrees (or close to that) might be 'bound to the earth' and not participate in the skywave. I am not sure that a vertical is better for long distance propagation than a long horizontal wire. Recently DJ9IE is using a horizontal wire (200m long at 15m hight) and despite the fact that he is at only 200km from me I can notice up to 10dB 'QSB' on his signal at night. Other stations in the 200km range, using more conventional Marconi antennas do not have this QSB. 73, Rik ON7YD