Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8499 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2000 18:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 17 Jan 2000 18:56:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12AHD1-0001ZA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:48:59 +0000 Received: from as-img-1.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.144] helo=spamgaaa.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12AHCz-0001Z5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:48:58 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id NAA23388 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:48:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:48:09 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: PA0SE and DK8KW field strength observations combined To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200001171348_MC2-9517-5A32@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello YL or OM, regarding the actual 1 W ERP discussion I have got another one: have a look at http://www.qru.de/signals.html and go down to Figure 4 (the last graph on that page, if it doesn't appear, press the "reload" button). Following Alan's (G3NYK) advise, this graph has a logarithmic scale for the distance (Excel is such a nice program to play around with). Also, according a suggetsion of Alan, I have changed the dB to distance ratio to 20 dB per decade. This fits very well with the upper envelope of all ham stations heard, and also it fits well to the commercials. Well, it all depends on what ERP the commercials have (we discussed that earlier, I know), but the best signal report I can give to the strongest of you is 55 dB below any of the commercials. So, even if we assume that the DLF on 153 kHz has 100 kW, this would mean that none of you comes even close to 1 Watt ERP, but you are even 5 dB below that. DCF39 probably even only has 25 kW ERP ... This would probably mean that none of our amateur antenna has the efficiency we believe it would have ... so all you guys with 1 Watt ERP allowance, start to build PAs or raise your antennas ... Some food for thought! vy 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) P.S.: don't forget my father butz: dl6pe@t-online.de (see my previous message:"Can you do me a favour?")