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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:55:29 +0100
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Subject: Re: LF: Receivers and power-line noise
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From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de>
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Dear Kevin,

so far I have not encountered problems with rfi from the mains supply. But I 
like to block every rectifier diode with several nanofarad in all my home brew 
power supplies (this also will suppress the 50 Hz hum in direct conversion 
receivers) but I have also found that this is seldom done in commercial power 
supplies and therefore may cause problems, even from our neighbours.

Concerning battery supplies I have also found that typical voltage stabilizer 
ICs like 78xx, even when blocked according to manufacturers recommendations 
(with 0,33 to 0,47 uF) will generate LF noise at the input side, unless the 
input is blocked more heavily with 6,8 uF to 10 uF low loss electrolytics.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


Kevin Ravenhill schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> This may well have been mentioned before on this reflector, so apologies to
> those concerned if it's going back over old ground.
>
> For anyone plagued by power line "hash" when receiving on LF, particularly
> when using wire antennas, it's worth checking the cleanliness of the DC
> power supply which is being used to power the receiving setup.
>
> I have found out the hard way that the rectifier diodes in some power
> supplies can generate truly enormous amounts of harmonic hash at these
> frequencies. I have not checked too closely but I assume this is simply
> being re-radiated through the transformer and into the mains wiring. There
> is EC EMC legislation relevant to this aspect of power supply design, but
> I'm not sure how effective this is in "special cases" such as our very weak
> signal conditions.
>
> I have tried several power units ranging from simple regulated "plug-top"
> types to more complex heavy current 13.8V PSUs specifically designed for
> powering radio gear. I currently use a small double-insulated (i.e. no mains
> earth connection) plug-top PSU to power my receiver. This was originally so
> bad that it completely wiped out reception on my AKD HF3 below about 2MHz
> (note that this PSU was actually intended for this receiver!). In this case
> the problem was cured by the simple expedient of fitting a 0.1uF ceramic
> capacitor across the transformer secondary feed to the bridge rectifier, but
> this is not necessarily a cure for all situations. Lots of lossy ferrite
> etc. on the mains side may be called for!
>
> My Daiwa 13.8V 12A unit is much better in this respect but does still
> introduce a small level of extra noise. This is not really significant
> enough to warrant modification though. A slightly cheaper grade of 13.8V 5A
> PSU was tested and this proved too noisy to be usable without extensive
> modification.
>
> Finally, I have a multi-output variable voltage lab-type PSU for bench work
> which has also proved too noisy to power the LF gear as it stands.
>
> I suppose the surest way to eliminate this kind of noise would be to run the
> receiving gear from batteries, which would also get round the problem of
> noise directly coupled from the mains. I would be interested to know how
> many other people have encountered similar problems with LF reception.
>
> 73
>
> Kevin, G1HDQ
>
>