Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8950 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1999 13:27:52 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 1999 13:27:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 16192 invoked from network); 15 Nov 1999 13:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 15 Nov 1999 13:37:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11nLxf-0005jc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:14:23 +0000 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net ([195.102.240.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11nLxd-0005jX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:14:22 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1a.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #63) id 11nLyu-0000yp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:15:40 +0000 Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.5.0.R) for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:10:39 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:10:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: Simple receivers for 136kHz In-reply-to: <000501bf2f5c$84687c40$6d8fbc3e@default> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Return-Path: miked@mail.rsgbhq Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G1HDQ wrote: > I've noticed that, whilst there is naturally a lot of discussion on the > reflector about transmitters and antennas, there is relatively little about > receivers. Since I have a strong preference for uncomplicated homebrew > equipment and an aversion to buying expensive commercial gear, I've recently > been experimenting to find out how simple a receiving setup can be made > whilst still being capable of useful results on 136kHz. > [big cut] > The antenna now appears to be the limiting factor. Apart from mains-borne > QRM/N, Loran chatter is quite a problem here in East Devon and a frame > (loop) antenna suggests itself as the next step. > Looks like this is a useful receiver if Loran can be heard easily. Regulars on this relector will remember my sermons on decent receivers in the past. I use a Datong converter (with essential added front-end filtering) and an IC-706 Mk1 as an IF at 28MHz. I tried the IC-706 out as an LF receiver on its own (not sure why I haven't done this before). It covers down to 50kHz which gives both LF bands. It is fairly useless at 73 but works better at 136kHz - even the pre-amp has some gain. However, here's where the trap lies. I could hear DCF39 at S9+ and copied MM0ALM (650km) loud and clear. To a beginner this might indicate that all was well. But what I could not hear was the Greek RTTY which was S7 on the converter, the Loran or any static. The difference was remarkable. As I have said before, if you don't get a HUGE signal from DCF39 compared to your noise level, and can't hear the RTTY just below 136kHz most of the time, and can't hear Loran and/or static all of the time, you may need to increase the receiver system gain. This may also involve improving front end selectivity. I will try out the 706 with some preamplification and report back. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm