Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17253 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1999 19:53:17 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cask.force9.net) (195.166.128.29) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1999 19:53:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 29888 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1999 19:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1999 19:53:20 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11osg8-0004Fd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:22:36 +0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.132.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11osg7-0004FY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:22:35 +0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk (ddmailgate.rd.bbc.co.uk [132.185.128.104]) by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18636 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:22:28 GMT Received: from pc523 by sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 99 18:22:28 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991119182201.00a15280@sunf0> X-Sender: simonlh@sunf0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:22:01 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Simon Lloyd-Hughes" Subject: Re: LF: Receivers and power-line noise In-reply-to: <000901bf31b9$8a580bc0$3190bc3e@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The Elektor magazine always carries details at the back on emc measures to be taken on psu's. At 11:38 18/11/99 -0000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >This may well have been mentioned before on this reflector, so apologies to >those concerned if it's going back over old ground. > >For anyone plagued by power line "hash" when receiving on LF, particularly >when using wire antennas, it's worth checking the cleanliness of the DC >power supply which is being used to power the receiving setup. > >I have found out the hard way that the rectifier diodes in some power >supplies can generate truly enormous amounts of harmonic hash at these >frequencies. I have not checked too closely but I assume this is simply >being re-radiated through the transformer and into the mains wiring. There >is EC EMC legislation relevant to this aspect of power supply design, but >I'm not sure how effective this is in "special cases" such as our very weak >signal conditions. > >I have tried several power units ranging from simple regulated "plug-top" >types to more complex heavy current 13.8V PSUs specifically designed for >powering radio gear. I currently use a small double-insulated (i.e. no mains >earth connection) plug-top PSU to power my receiver. This was originally so >bad that it completely wiped out reception on my AKD HF3 below about 2MHz >(note that this PSU was actually intended for this receiver!). In this case >the problem was cured by the simple expedient of fitting a 0.1uF ceramic >capacitor across the transformer secondary feed to the bridge rectifier, but >this is not necessarily a cure for all situations. Lots of lossy ferrite >etc. on the mains side may be called for! > >My Daiwa 13.8V 12A unit is much better in this respect but does still >introduce a small level of extra noise. This is not really significant >enough to warrant modification though. A slightly cheaper grade of 13.8V 5A >PSU was tested and this proved too noisy to be usable without extensive >modification. > >Finally, I have a multi-output variable voltage lab-type PSU for bench work >which has also proved too noisy to power the LF gear as it stands. > >I suppose the surest way to eliminate this kind of noise would be to run the >receiving gear from batteries, which would also get round the problem of >noise directly coupled from the mains. I would be interested to know how >many other people have encountered similar problems with LF reception. > >73 > >Kevin, G1HDQ > > > >